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    I like what Leonard brings to the team, but George Hill is twice the player that he is.

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    Sick of marginal wing players on the Spurs who think they are good enough to go elsewhere. Earn your ing minutes and stop acting like its the situation and not your ty shooting.

    Players who do this don't end up doing much better in other places because they don't think its about them. What is JA going to think when he gets traded to Minnesota and still can't hit an open 3 to save his life? Good luck demanding a trade from that D league team you're playing for at that time.

    I wish he would have just stfu and waited for his opportunity to prove himself and simply been a good team player. This is like Loyd Daniels one day up and demanding a trade.
    He's played pretty damn well in his limited minutes lately and it's yielded no more playing time while RJ plays terrible and gets minutes regardless.

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    Wasted first round pick, just like Joseph. You at least pick up that small option of his and see if he can improve at all, rather than bringing in some 10 days next year or d-league players, too. WTF are they doing?

    I like what Leonard brings to the team, but George Hill is twice the player that he is.

    Front office is so overrated. Hilarious.


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    Hes trolling. No one could be that moronic, I think.

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    Yeah. A whopping 6 points and 5 boards a game, to go along with terribly mediocre shooting and an awful +/-, despite relatively consistent playing time. Compare that to George Hill, who arguably should have won 6th man of the year and you really have no basis for argument.

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    Hes trolling. No one could be that moronic, I think.
    Refer to previous post for your medicine.

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    I can't really blame him and anyone in his position would be stupid not to request a trade. He wants more playing time so he can show what he can do in a contract year.
    This. The Spurs already told him they don't have him in their plans. He's just reciprocating.

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    We didn't pick up his option, he wants a chance to prove he deserves a decent contract. It doesn't bother me that he's wanting a trade. It's not like he's dogging the team and saying he hates it here. I mean, it was our choice not to pick up the third year.

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    Yeah. A whopping 6 points and 5 boards a game, to go along with terribly mediocre shooting and an awful +/-, despite relatively consistent playing time. Compare that to George Hill, who arguably should have won 6th man of the year and you really have no basis for argument.
    Whose arguing? Only a weak attempt at trolling would someone try tocome up with this kind of dumb . You had a good run at it, till this lame opinion though.

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    I agree with Kewni

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    Wasted first round pick, just like Joseph. You at least pick up that small option of his and see if he can improve at all, rather than bringing in some 10 days next year or d-league players, too. WTF are they doing?

    I like what Leonard brings to the team, but George Hill is twice the player that he is.

    Front office is so overrated. Hilarious.
    Can't agree.

    How is Leonard a wasted first round pick? He's already performed better his rookie year than Hill. And I think you're judging Hill after 3 years compared to Leonard only being a rookie. Plus...they play different positions...but for the money and comparing rookie stats...Leonard is proving to be the better player.

    Regarding the 10 days...name a big in the draft last year the Spurs could have gotten when selecting Joseph that has made an impact for the team they're playing on this year.

    Granted...Not picking up Anderson's option just may be a mistake unless they can get something of value in a trade. OR...it all could be smoke up the A** blowing by his agent. Bottomline...Anderson did not prove much when given the opportunity to shine. Others did. As a coach you go with who proves to be the better player in a situation of second year players.

    By the way...Those comparing this to Duncan's slow start are reaching. Who would you of had replace Duncan?

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    Whose arguing? Only a weak attempt at trolling would someone try tocome up with this kind of dumb . You had a good run at it, till this lame opinion though.
    I'm sorry if your feeble mind cannot deduce from said statistics who is clearly the better player.

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    Can't agree.

    How is Leonard a wasted first round pick? He's already performed better his rookie year than Hill. And I think you're judging Hill after 3 years compared to Leonard only being a rookie. Plus...they play different positions...but for the money and comparing rookie stats...Leonard is proving to be the better player.
    He is not a wasted first round pick. Anderson and Joseph are, though. I'm judging who could have helped the Spurs more this season, which is all that matters. I don't care what is a fair comparison, that is irrelevant. At this point, George Hill is a better player than Leonard, there's really no debating that.

    Regarding the 10 days...name a big in the draft last year the Spurs could have gotten when selecting Joseph that has made an impact for the team they're playing on this year.
    This is irrelevant. Joseph was much lower on almost everyone's board and would have been there in the 2nd round. That is, if you wanted to take a scrub like this. Fact of the matter is, he's awful. He is a wasted first round pick.

    By the way...Those comparing this to Duncan's slow start are reaching. Who would you of had replace Duncan?
    I wouldn't ever doubt Tim Duncan, not in a million years. I was not one of these people.

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    Kewni do you understand why Hill was traded?

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    I agree with Kewni
    Trading Hill for the draft rights to Leonard, not to mention the pick used to draft Bertrans, and the rights to Lorbek. Thats a 3 for 1 trade, which looking at Leonard's impressive play as a rookie so far, is icing on the cake. Hill was a good player, but the Spurs traded from a position of strength, having Manu, Tony, Gary, and Anderson, to offset the loss of Hill. How long have the Spurs been trying to replace Bowen? Leonard is already the team's best perimeter defender, which was Hill's job as well, but Leonard's length easily makes him a better defender than Hill imo. While Hill was solid, he disappeared at times, and also could not be counted on to play the point consistantly. Hill is better offensive player, but I can see Leonard eventually improving enough in that area to not be a detriment. I also bring up Hill's lack of size as well. I liked Hill as a player, but I honestly can't see how you view the Hill trade a a bad one.

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    I do the George Hill for Kawhi trade 10 out of 10 times if we had to do it over. Right now in his 4th year George might be a little more well rounded (also hurt btw) but if Kawhi continues to progress and actually get to go through summer ball and an NB A training camp (people forget he didn't have this luxury) it's pretty scary to think what he can be in his 4th year. Kawhi also fills a huge role on this team for this season as well.

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    good, he hasnt done much anyways. should try and trade him and blair for another quality big.

    That would be re ed. The Spurs can't continue to piss away draft picks. They have to start building for the future and that would leave them with just one semi-successful draft pick since 2001 (Splitter in 2007). I don't see how picking up a "hold me over big" for the remainder of a shortened season is going to benefit the spurs long term. If they were going to sign an impact player, one who they can resign after the season, then it would make sense. But Buford took care of that when he chose to keep RJ around. For a franchise that supposedly makes all the right moves, they have really made some piss-poor decisions of late.
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    He is not a wasted first round pick. Anderson and Joseph are, though. I'm judging who could have helped the Spurs more this season, which is all that matters. I don't care what is a fair comparison, that is irrelevant. At this point, George Hill is a better player than Leonard, there's really no debating that.

    This is irrelevant. Joseph was much lower on almost everyone's board and would have been there in the 2nd round. That is, if you wanted to take a scrub like this. Fact of the matter is, he's awful. He is a wasted first round pick.

    I wouldn't ever doubt Tim Duncan, not in a million years. I was not one of these people.
    Maybe you should start a thread, with a poll, on who the better player is, Hill, or Leonard.

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    I was joking. Kewni is a dummy.

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    Neither.

    Spurs are just overwhelmed with talent at the wing. Fact is Anderson didn't get much of real opportunity because of the amount of depth. Yes he got quality minutes to start the year to prove himself, but for how long? 5-7 games? That's not a big enough of a sample size to make an end all judgement of a player.

    To prove my point, Duncan started off the year terribly the first 5-6 games are so, but as the season went on and as the sample size increased, Duncan has been able to show his true colors-- much like Anderson has in recent games when he's been given little opportunity.
    It's all about opportunity though. If Jeremy Lin doesn't play well against the Nets does he even get a chance to start the next game and begin his amazing run?

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    I was joking. Kewni is a dummy.
    You scared me for a second.

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    That would be re ed. The Spurs can't continue to piss away draft picks. They have to start building for the future and that would leave them with just one semi-successful draft pick since 2001 (Splitter in 2007). I don't see how picking up a "hold me over big" for the remainder of a shortened season is going to benefit the spurs long term. If they were going to sign an impact player, one who they can resign after the season, then it would make sense. But Buford took care of that when he chose to keep RJ around. For a franchise that supposedly makes all the right moves, they have really made some piss-poor decisions of late.
    The whole purpose of drafting a big overseas is so they can develop while getting minutes so they are ready when they get here. If Pop is going to do what he did with Splitter last year it doesn't make sense. You may as well get him sitting on the bench sooner.

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    I still don't agree the Hill trade was a "win now" move, but it was a great trade.

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    I'm sure they don't, seeing as they are morons. 6'11", long, blocks shots and handles like a SF. Can check anyone 2-5 adequately.
    Is that why he's fallen out of the rotation on a team on the outside of the playoff bubble?

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    Just look at Hill's rookie numbers. Hes just a hater and more likely just trolling.

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