*** Official Dallas Mavericks 2011-2012 Discussion thread ***

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Just think about it logically: We already know Dwight is pushing for a trade to NJ.

I think it's more that he's pushing for a trade, period. He just wants out of Orlando. There are reports that he would prefer NJ (as you keep referring to), but there are also reports that he would prefer Dallas (as would D-Will), so from what has been reported, it doesn't sound like he is heavily leaning one way or the other. But if there is any collusion involved between those two guys (which there almost certainly is), it makes more sense for them to be wanting Dallas, because its no secret whatsoever how much Deron wants to go back home, and Dwight is basically 50/50 based on the wide variety of reports.

[Killakobe81]

I agree Dallas's chances are better if they both hit FA, but IMO NJ is in the lead both ways for the reasons I explained. Doesn't mean it can't happen just that I find it very unlikely.

Just think about it logically: We already know Dwight is pushing for a trade to NJ. If NJ is appealing to him knowing they would gut their team to get him and give up their solid to great draft pick, it would only be more appealing if they kept all their assets. Dallas is depleted regardless.

Im with my ninja, DPG on this one.
Of course the 3D's (Dirk, Dwight, Derron) is POSSIBLE DPG is just pointing out the fact it is NOT probable.

The chance to open Brooklyn with Dwill Brooks and a lottery pick filling out the roster. Heck even if they keep that mutt Kris that is a still solid team with the chance to flip Lopez for something special.

If anything, (I know the Nets are not the Knicks), the rise and hype on Lin has to make Brooklyn even more appealing. The fans are chanting his name and the media is eating up a talented but flawed Knick squad. This nets team would be better.

If i was Otis as much as I hate the thought of sending him to the Lakers I would send him West as long as I get to dump a contract. Heck I may even ask for both bigs and send Ryan anderson as long as they eat turk's contract too.

As a Laker fan I think both is too high ...but I know we cant ring as currently built.

[DPG21920]

As an aside if I'm LA I easily do both Pau/Bynum for Dwight.

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As an aside if I'm LA I easily do both Pau/Bynum for Dwight.

No way in I do that for Dwight if I'm LA.

Give up the 2nd best center in the league, and a guy who is still arguably a top 5 PF in the league, for the best center in the league and nothing else? That's too steep of a price. They would have to get more back than just Dwight. Considering how the Magic are in no position to lowball, LA would be dumb as to offer that. They should firmly offer something along the lines of Bynum (star), Matt Barnes (role player), and a draft pick (filler).

[DPG21920]

I know it seems like a lot but IMO this keeps them about as compe ive this year and brightens the future. I'm still of the opinion that even though Bynum is the 2nd best center there is still a sizable gap in impact from him to Dwight.

Dwight got the finals with Rashard or Hedo as his 2nd best player. Give him a 1a in Kobe and watch out.

[Killakobe81]

No way in I do that for Dwight if I'm LA.

Give up the 2nd best center in the league, and a guy who is still arguably a top 5 PF in the league, for the best center in the league and nothing else? That's too steep of a price. They would have to get more back than just Dwight. Considering how the Magic are in no position to lowball, LA would be dumb as to offer that. They should firmly offer something along the lines of Bynum (star), Matt Barnes (role player), and a draft pick (filler).

I kind of felt like you do at first, but again I dont think we are legit contenders anyway. Last night was big win but proves nothing in grand scheme. Cant rely on fisher to gives us that consistently.

As long as we got Anderson back ...because trading both leaves us no PF ...

I dont think we are necessarily better but how much worse would we be? We downgrade PF to upgrade c. Our shooting improves as would our defense ...

PG Fisher/Blake
SG Kobe/Godlock
SF Barnes/Artest
PF anderson/Turk
C Dwight/Mcroberst

thta is STILL not a le team ...but I would be happy with that you could also sign arenas to replace Godlock

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I know it seems like a lot but IMO this keeps them about as compe ive this year and brightens the future. I'm still of the opinion that even though Bynum is the 2nd best center there is still a sizable gap in impact from him to Dwight.

Dwight got the finals with Rashard or Hedo as his 2nd best player. Give him a 1a in Kobe and watch out.

Dwight also had a number of role players who complimented him well (3pt shooters in particular). That Orlando team was MUCH deeper than this Lakers squad is. Outside of Bynum, Gasol, and Kobe, the ONLY guy who is even remotely productive consistently is Matt Barnes, which is a testament to how BAD the depth is on this team. I believe it was Hollinger who pointed out that when you take away the top 4 scorers on every team in the league, the Lakers by far have the worst remaining roster in terms of PER.

Granted, Dwight can definitely help make things easier for the role players, but there is only so far you can go with guys like Derek Fisher, Steve Blake, Artest, and Josh McRoberts.

I think the Lakers would be fully able to pull off a trade without giving up both Bynum and Gasol. And IMO, the gap between Bynum and Howard isn't as big as you suggest.

[JamStone]

Dwight made it to the Finals in the Eastern Conference by barely beating a Celtics team without KG and LeBron and the Cavs with at least an equally inept or worse support cast as Dwight had.

Dwight might be much better than Bynum. But Bynum + Gasol is much better than just Dwight. The Lakers are already getting extremely subpar and inconsistent play from two positions, PG and SF. If they trade Gasol, that puts an even bigger onus on Kobe and Dwight to put up huge numbers every single night. Replacing Gasol and Bynum with Dwight, now you're talking about Kobe chucking up 40 times a game and playing 45 minutes a game. For the Lakers, Dwight is not worth trading both Gasol and Bynum.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I'm gonna lol if y'all get jack. Too big a gamble and there's really no guarantee simply because he's from here OR wants to play here. Pretty flimsy to hedge your bet on just that alone.

[DPG21920]

I know it's a bad contract, but it definitely do Pau/Bynum if it was Dwight/Hedo. While his contract sucks he would be an upgrade over Artest.

[Basketballgirl25]

I think Dwight is not completely sold on New Jersey. It would be him, Deron and NOTHING else in Brooklyn. In Dallas it would be him, Deron AND Dirk, an organization that is first-class and has won a championship.

If he's traded, it will be because the Lakers dropped their resistance to dealing Bynum.

If he hits FA, he's a Mav.

If Dwight hits FA, I really see him going to either Nets or Dallas. Nets won't get rid of Brooks or Brook that way.

[Fergie The Florists]

If Dwight hits FA, I really see him going to either Nets or Dallas. Nets won't get rid of Brooks or Brook that way.

Wanna ?

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I also wonder if at this point, the Nets even want to pull a trade any longer, or if they want to keep what they have, wait until FA, and just hope they can sign him.

[Fergie The Florists]

I also wonder if at this point, the Nets even want to pull a trade any longer, or if they want to keep what they have, wait until FA, and just hope they can sign him.

Shut up you ing 2 inch pecker gook mother er

[DPG21920]

It's possible stretch, depends on how much LA pursues I guess. I'm sure they want to trade because it guarantees Dwight/Deron.

[Killakobe81]

It's possible stretch, depends on how much LA pursues I guess. I'm sure they want to trade because it guarantees Dwight/Deron.

Yep anything else is gamble. Cant bet aginst Cuban he can offer a chance for them to play with Dirk, and we knoe he treats his teams first class all the way. Smarter play is a trade ..I would try to hold on to Brooks but wouldnt let that block a trade ...

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

Dwight and Deron are testing free agency regardless. That in itself makes me feel very good about the Mavs chances at landing both. Keep telling yourselves that it's not possible for whatever reason .... i'll put my money on Cuban.

[DPG21920]

Deron is only testing free agency as a formality at this point due to the new CBA. Even if he was 100% sure he was going to stay with the Nets he would still "make it to free agency" because he can sign a larger contract that way.

[JamStone]

It will be interesting to see how the new CBA affects players' decisions in free agency now. Under the new rules, the difference in max contracts now is about $30 million between the home team and another team. And now, the new CBA doesn't allow a sign-and-trade to involve getting the player the home team contract. I think that's why Dwight is pushing for a trade so hard. If he just leaves via free agency, it's 4 years at about $80 million versus 5 years at about $110 million.

[mavsfan1000]

Dwight Howard is going to the Nets. You heard it here first.

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Dwight Howard is going to the Nets. You heard it here first.

Wow, what mind-blowingly shocking information you have just provided for us here.

Any more nuggets of unpredictable facts you can provide us with?

[MavDynasty]

Bullsfan has Mary credibility tbh

[mavsfan1000]

Nope. It is predictable and why it is stupid of Cuban to think he has a chance of getting Howard. About as stupid as thinking he could get Shaq in Dallas.

[MavDynasty]

nary*

Lol iphone

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Nope. It is predictable and why it is stupid of Cuban to think he has a chance of getting Howard. About as stupid as thinking he could get Shaq in Dallas.

he could've gotten Shaq in Dallas multiple times