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    "you are supposed to serve us!"

    Israel has protested to the United States over recent comments by senior American officials critical of any Israeli attack on Iran, saying this criticism "served Iran's interests."

    A senior Israeli official said Netanyahu and Barak told Donilon of their dissatisfaction with the interview given by Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the US joint chiefs of staff, to CNN on Sunday.

    Dempsey said "I don't think a wise thing at this moment is for Israel to launch a military attack on Iran," and a strike "would be destabilizing" and "not prudent."

    Dempsey said the United States has so far not been able to persuade Israel not to attack Iran. "I wouldn't suggest that we've persuaded them that our view is the correct view," he said.

    The Israeli officials also objected to a number of briefings senior American officials gave American correspondents, who wrote in recent weeks about a possible Israeli attack in Iran.

    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...rests-1.413845

    Senate forcing Obama to war?

    Lieberman, Mccain, Senators holding Israel's interests above US's.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mj-ros...b_1294305.html

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    "you are supposed to serve us!"
    You don't know how quotes work.

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    question are Graham, Lieberman, Mccain commiting treason?

    trea·son   [tree-zuhn] Show IPA
    noun
    1.
    the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
    2.
    a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.

    3.
    the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.

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    uh oh, looks like there is internal conflicts in Israel too.

    Israel may have to consider ending the internal war within its government before launching an attack on Iran in the name of its alleged nuclear weapons program. Israeli defense minister Ehud Barak, who is believed to be pushing for military action against Iran, slammed President Shimon Peres, following newspaper reports which said that Peres is expected to tell U.S. President Barack Obama that he doesn't believe Israel should attack Iran soon.

    http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/3039...imon-peres.htm

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    question are Graham, Lieberman, Mccain commiting treason?

    trea·son   [tree-zuhn] Show IPA
    noun
    1.
    the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
    2.
    a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.

    3.
    the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.
    Question?

    Did Che read his own article?

    That is the meaning of the legislation introduced this month by senators Bob Casey (D-PA), Lindsey Graham (R-SC), Joseph Lieberman (I-CT) and Richard Blumenthal(D- CT).

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    Calm Down. Iran’s Missiles Can’t (and Won’t) Hit the East Coast.
    http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/02/iran-icbm/

    “The bottom line,” says Paul Pillar, a veteran CIA Mideast analyst, “is that the intelligence community does not believe [the Iranians] are anywhere close to having an ICBM.”

    That, however, isn’t the message out of Jerusalem. Israeli Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz told CNBC on Wednesday Iran was “two to three years” away from slamming a missile into New York, Boston or Washington. Its strategic-affairs minister, Moshe “Bogie” Yaalon, issued that same warning earlier this month, but declined to say when Iran’s mega-missile would be ready.

    Chances are, the Israelis are hyping the Iranian missile threat so their American friends will consider the Iranian threat more acute. They’re not happy with Gen. Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, for saying on Sunday that an Israeli attack on Iran was “not prudent.” But few missile or intelligence experts believe the new claim of an imminent Iranian ICBM is going to change Dempsey’s mind, or anyone else’s, because it’s far-fetched.

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    Question?

    Did Che read his own article?
    agree those guys should be included in my question. thanks.

    but I was more referring to this:
    "It turns out that Senators John McCain (R-AZ) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC) were in Israel at the time Netanyahu attacked Dempsey."

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    and

    "Mark Vogel, chairman of the pro-Israel National Action Committee, once said, “Joe Lieberman, without exception, no conditions … is the No. 1 pro-Israel advocate and leader in Congress. There is nobody who does more on behalf of Israel than Joe Lieberman.”"

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    Calm Down. Iran’s Missiles Can’t (and Won’t) Hit the East Coast.
    http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/02/iran-icbm/

    “The bottom line,” says Paul Pillar, a veteran CIA Mideast analyst, “is that the intelligence community does not believe [the Iranians] are anywhere close to having an ICBM.”

    That, however, isn’t the message out of Jerusalem. Israeli Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz told CNBC on Wednesday Iran was “two to three years” away from slamming a missile into New York, Boston or Washington. Its strategic-affairs minister, Moshe “Bogie” Yaalon, issued that same warning earlier this month, but declined to say when Iran’s mega-missile would be ready.

    Chances are, the Israelis are hyping the Iranian missile threat so their American friends will consider the Iranian threat more acute. They’re not happy with Gen. Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, for saying on Sunday that an Israeli attack on Iran was “not prudent.” But few missile or intelligence experts believe the new claim of an imminent Iranian ICBM is going to change Dempsey’s mind, or anyone else’s, because it’s far-fetched.
    Why do they need an ICBM? , the Mexican cartels are bringing hundreds of tons of contraband across the border into the US every month. There are no rules when it comes to nukes and they don't have to be delivered by a missile.

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    , they could stick one in a 40 foot shipping container and ship it to New York harbor and then pull the trigger.

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    , they could stick one in a 40 foot shipping container and ship it to New York harbor and then pull the trigger.
    this threat is already present today whether Iran gets nukes or not. N Korea, Pakistan, missing Soviet nukes say o.

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    , they could stick one in a 40 foot shipping container and ship it to New York harbor and then pull the trigger.
    Iran has no reason to do that.

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    The U.S. is trying desperately to get Israel to back off attacking Iran because they (we - the U.S.) fear that such an attack would lead to a much wider war in the region, with Israel eventually (or sooner) requiring the U.S.'s backing in another middle eastern conflict. We don't want it. We can't afford it.

    But Israel has been pretty successful in getting the U.S. to fight proxy wars for it for several decades, and they are unlikely to change now. Israel has gotten more hawkish with the influx of immigrants from Russia, etc., and they are certainly more directly threatened by a nuclear Iran than we are, but this is one time we should NOT go to their aid.

    But I suspect that we will. And we will pay dearly for it in blood and treasure and lost diplomatic gains in the region. It is not a good situation at all.

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    The U.S. is trying desperately to get Israel to back off attacking Iran because they (we - the U.S.) fear that such an attack would lead to a much wider war in the region, with Israel eventually (or sooner) requiring the U.S.'s backing in another middle eastern conflict. We don't want it. We can't afford it.

    But Israel has been pretty successful in getting the U.S. to fight proxy wars for it for several decades, and they are unlikely to change now. Israel has gotten more hawkish with the influx of immigrants from Russia, etc., and they are certainly more directly threatened by a nuclear Iran than we are, but this is one time we should NOT go to their aid.

    But I suspect that we will. And we will pay dearly for it in blood and treasure and lost diplomatic gains in the region. It is not a good situation at all.
    If something like that happened, there would be no other choice but to declare America being Israel's & Jews are nothing but trouble. Europe learned it's lesson

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    The U.S. is trying desperately to get Israel to back off attacking Iran because they (we - the U.S.) fear that such an attack would lead to a much wider war in the region, with Israel eventually (or sooner) requiring the U.S.'s backing in another middle eastern conflict. We don't want it. We can't afford it.

    But Israel has been pretty successful in getting the U.S. to fight proxy wars for it for several decades, and they are unlikely to change now. Israel has gotten more hawkish with the influx of immigrants from Russia, etc., and they are certainly more directly threatened by a nuclear Iran than we are, but this is one time we should NOT go to their aid.

    But I suspect that we will. And we will pay dearly for it in blood and treasure and lost diplomatic gains in the region. It is not a good situation at all.
    Pretty fair assessment.

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    , they could stick one in a 40 foot shipping container and ship it to New York harbor and then pull the trigger.
    " o Mr. Cowboy, we're with the NSA. You need to come with us, please"

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    oilcos are on the their knees praying for an attack, by anybody, on Iran.

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    If something like that happened, there would be no other choice but to declare America being Israel's & Jews are nothing but trouble.
    When I say Israel in this thread I mean the leadership of that country plus their branch which is the Jew Lobby here in the US. The regular citizens of Israel are victims just like regular americans.

    The Military Complex, Jew US Lobby, Israel leadership, Oil Companies all are the ones trying to force the US into war.

    Europe learned it's lesson
    what do you mean by this?

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    When I say Israel in this thread I mean the leadership of that country plus their branch which is the Jew Lobby here in the US. The regular citizens of Israel are victims just like regular americans.

    The Military Complex, Jew US Lobby, Israel leadership, Oil Companies all are the ones trying to force the US into war.



    what do you mean by this?
    As in they preferred to rebuild their countries post WW2 without Jews around. They knew Jews would buy up land & corporations with their war reparation money. Money = Control. They would take control of the government & over time would be running pro Israel crap.

    And that's exactly what's happened in America.

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    As in they preferred to rebuild their countries post WW2 without Jews around. They knew Jews would buy up land & corporations with their war reparation money. Money = Control. They would take control of the government & over time would be running pro Israel crap.

    And that's exactly what's happened in America.
    Wow

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    Do you disagree with something?

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    Do you disagree with something?
    I just hadn't realized we had a neo-nazi in here.

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    I just hadn't realized we had a neo-nazi in here.
    Oh boy. Have you been to Europe or interacted with Europeans?

    I am stating the perspective of Europe. I understand how from an American perspective that could be seen as a personal slam on Jews, but it is not.

    To put it in simplest terms. Jews are known for their business savy, Europeans are labeled here as Socialist & anti-Corporations. The two have opposite viewpoints of how things should be done

    The only thing keeping Jews from being Republicans is the Christian factor & them not being whites. That's it. They are a perfect marriage otherwise

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    I am stating the perspective of Europe.
    You've failed miserably.

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    Oh boy. Have you been to Europe or interacted with Europeans?

    I am stating the perspective of Europe. I understand how from an American perspective that could be seen as a personal slam on Jews, but it is not.

    To put it in simplest terms. Jews are known for their business savy, Europeans are labeled here as Socialist & anti-Corporations. The two have opposite viewpoints of how things should be done
    You are using the term jews too freely, too general. I would recommend you use the term "extremist jews", which are the minority, just like the extremist christians here in the US.

    All groups of people have their extremists.

    and BTW money does not discriminate, there are greedy mother ers of all races and colors. Singling out a group is flawed and dangerous.

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