Holy s**t!!
For the record, although I don't want us to get dragged into another war over there, I disagree with your assessments concerning European rebuilding efforts post WWII, and I disagree with your assessment of what has happened in America. And I absolutely disagree with your characterization of what Jews did "with their war reparation money". HUH? Note to NKEG...there were NO reparation monies after WWII.
Good heavens, CC is right...this is neo-nazism, big time!
Religion over country for Jews. This is not the case with Europeans
Yet another difference
Disagree how/why? Would you like to post opinions before throwing labels at people?
Honestly, the last group of people I would go to for a global & historic opinions are Americans.
No war reparations? You have no idea what you are talking about. Turn off Schindler's List & let individuals with family actually involved in the Holocaust speak on the matter. I spoke face to face with my grandma last summer who was in a Nazi working camp.
Again LOL @ an American speaking on the subject
What reparations did she get?
I gave my opinions earlier. But I will respond.
Normally, the use of the term 'war reparations' refers to countries who lose a war with another to pay 'reparations' to the victorious country. This pattern was in place in virtually every European War for the last few centuries UNTIL WWII. The reparations required by the victorious countries after WWI were extremely difficult, and Germany had little chance of payment. But France had to pay reparations to Germany after the 1870 war, and France and Britain were eager to get Germany to pay in similar kind. The Russians WANTED reparations after WWII, but Germany and Japan had no money after the war. So the victorious countries took over the running of the countries that lost. Germany was split into two countries eventually and Japan had McArthur as its essential emperor in the aftermath of the war. The U.S. essentially rebuilt Germany and Japan after WWII, so the notion of War reparations in the normal sense being paid by the losers of the war DIDN'T HAPPEN!!
If you are talking about individuals being helped somehow for the suffering they experienced during the war...that is not WAR REPARATIONS.
You say that Americans no little or nothing about history. Sorry, but you have just run into one American who knows more about WWII than you will ever probably know in this or any other lifetime.
NONE of this excuses your rant about Jews and your UNFOUNDED assumptions about what European leaders did and did not do about rebuilding post WWII in relation to what you SAY (with zero evidence) their beliefs were about Jews.
If it were not for the Marshall Plan Europe would have taken a hundred years to rebuild. There were no war reparations paid by the losing countries except that we took over their damn countries and ran them as our satellites. And it had NOTHING to do with Jews in their (or our) midst.
The losing countries paid reparations to the allies & Jewish organizations.World War II
[edit] Europe
Further information: German reparations for World War II
After World War II, according to the Potsdam conference held between July 17 and August 2, 1945, Germany was to pay the Allies US$23 billion mainly in machinery and manufacturing plants. Reparations to the Soviet Union stopped in 1953. In addition, in accordance with the agreed-upon policy of de-industrialisation and pastoralization of Germany, large numbers of civilian factories were dismantled for transport to France and the UK, or simply destroyed.[citation needed] Dismantling in the west stopped in 1950.
In the end, war victims in many countries were compensated by the property of Germans that were expelled after World War II. Beginning even before the German surrender and continuing for the next two years, the United States pursued a vigorous program to harvest all technological and scientific know-how as well as all patents and many leading scientists in Germany (known as Operation Paperclip). Historian John Gimbel, in his book Science Technology and Reparations: Exploitation and Plunder in Postwar Germany, states that the "intellectual reparations" taken by the U.S. and the UK amounted to close to $10 billion.[5] German reparations were partly to be in the form of forced labor. By 1947, approximately 4,000,000 German POWs and civilians were used as forced labor (under various headings, such as "reparations labor" or "enforced labor") in the Soviet Union, France, the UK, Belgium and in Germany in U.S run "Military Labor Service Units".
See also: Forced labor of Germans in the Soviet Union, POW labor in the Soviet Union, and World War II reparations towards Yugoslavia
Germany paid Israel 450 million DM in Holocaust reparations, and paid 3 billion DM to the World Jewish Congress to compensate survivors in other countries. No reparations were paid to the Romanies who were killed during the Holocaust.[6]
According to the Paris Peace Treaties, 1947, Italy agreed to pay reparations of about US$125 million to Yugoslavia, US$105 million to Greece, US$100 million to the Soviet Union, US$25 million to Ethiopia, and US$5 million to Albania. Finland agreed to pay reparations of US$300 million to the Soviet Union; Finland also was the only country which fully paid its war reparations. Hungary agreed to pay reparations of US$200 million to the Soviet Union, US$100 million to Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia. Romania agreed to pay reparations of US$300 million to the Soviet Union. Bulgaria agreed to pay reparations of $50 million to Greece and $25 million to Yugoslavia. According to the articles of these treaties, the value of US$ was prescribed as 35 US dollars to one troy ounce of pure gold.
[edit] Japan
According to the Treaty of Peace with Japan and the bilateral agreements, Japan agreed to pay around 1 trillion and 30 billion yen. For countries that renounced any reparations from Japan, it agreed to pay indemnity and/or grants in accordance with bilateral agreements.
The government of the United States officially apologized for the Japanese American internment during World War II in the 1980s and paid reparations.
Historian John Gimbel, in his book Science Technology and Reparations: Exploitation and Plunder in Postwar Germany, states that the "intellectual reparations" taken by the U.S. and the UK amounted to close to $10 billion
Since 1951 Germany has paid more than 102 billion marks, about $61.8 billion at 1998 exchange rates, in federal government reparation payments to Israel and Third Reich victims. In addition, Germans have paid out billions in private and other public funds, including about 75 million marks ($49 million) by German firms in compensation to wartime forced laborers, the Welt am Sonntag newspaper reported recently. These figures are based on calculations by the German Finance Ministry, the influential paper said.
Of the total, Germany has paid out 78.4 billion marks ($47 billion) on the basis of the 1965 Federal Res ution Law (BEG) to persons, especially Jews, who had been persecuted during the Third Reich era on the basis of race, religion, origin or ideology.
While most of those who were alive during the Second World War are now dead, in recent years Germany was still paying out some 1.25 billion marks (about $75 million) to 106,000 pensioners in Israel, the United States and other countries on the basis of the 1965 Res ution Law.
^ That's bull ^
In a review of West Germany's economy from 1945 to 1951, German analyst Werner Abelshauser concluded that "foreign aid was not crucial in starting the recovery or in keeping it going". The economic recoveries of France, Italy, and Belgium, Cowen found, also predated the flow of U.S. aid. Belgium, the country that relied earliest and most heavily on free market economic policies after its liberation in 1944, experienced the fastest recovery and avoided the severe housing and food shortages seen in the rest of continental Europe.
Can you even begin to comprehend the amount of FREE handouts Israel gets globally each year? The funniest part is the nerve of their leaders & people to declare like ''We have the greatest military & we are a model for freedom & wealth in the Middle east"
It's all from sucking on a nipple!
Regardless of what was asked for, it didn't happen! The 'intellectual reparations' you describe were mainly the German scientists who came over here quite happily to work in our missile industry. Calling that 'reparations' ignores the degree to which they were thrilled to come here because they were fleeing the Soviets. Your source on this has the same bias you do. America saved Western Germany and Japan from falling under the Soviet yoke and spent gazillions of dollars rebuilding them both in our own image. WE paid for the war because we wanted to develop markets for American goods (and we did). The movie The Mouse That Roared was a satire of the way that the U.S. treated conquered countries. Britain had a very hard time after the war because we DIDN'T help them, and it took years and years for their economy to recover ( of course trying to recover under Atlee wasn't going to work at all), but the point here is that we didn't help them the way we helped Germany and Japan.
Your rant about Jews in post war Europe (and America) is unchanged by any of this discussion, and is still more representative of Nazism than it is of any historical representation of post war Europe and what their leaders were thinking.
I really think you have seriously over-interpreted the word 'reparations'.
Your opinion is the perspective of an American. Your rant about Germans not paying reparations was debunked & you continue to further play the rhetoric of America saved the allies in WW2 and without America the European continent would be speaking Russian today. Yadda yadda yadda.
In Europe, America's participation in World War 2 is an after thought and helping rebuild it while cashing in immensely is viewed as the least America could do after sitting on the sidelines for so long & profiting off both sides.
The bottomline: Without the allies/governments in exile fighting & their sacrifice, YOU would be typing in German today
Logic is not your strong suit is it?
I didn't rant about Germany not paying reparations. I pointed out that they were unable to pay them because their country had been demolished by the war, they had no functioning industry, no functioning government, and they were divided by the allied powers after the war.
Nor did I suggest that only the U.S. was responsible for the defeat of Germany.
One might recognize that from the fact that it was a World War!!! I am well aware that the U.S. is known by many overseas as 'Always late to a War'. You know what? That's because we generally don't like war!! But if we are going to do it, we do it big time.
Russia would have fallen to Germany were it not for the foreign aid that the U.S. and Britain sent to them in the form of planes, ships, trucks, war material, and Hitler's idiocy as a general. Our shipments to them allowed them time to turn their economy to production of tanks (theirs was the best in the field by the end of the war), guns, planes, etc. Britain was the recipient of U.S. war material through outright loans and the Lend-Lease program wherein American ships, etc. were 'given' to England in exchange for the ability to put American Bases in places where England controlled things.
By the way, we didn't provide any post-war aid to Britain, and it took her forever to get back on her feet after the war, because she was almost bankrupted as well.
Although we were late to the war, it was America's industrial might that eventually saved the world from Naziism through what we gave to allies when they needed our help before we entered the war, and what we provided to them while fighting next to them after we had been attacked by Japan and after Germany declared war on us a few days after Pearl Harbor.
The exiles in Europe who fought with Britain and the U.S. did so with American rifles, American tanks, American planes and American food in their stomachs.
If you think so little of America and our contribution to the freedom of European countries in the last century, what the are you doing here?
U.S. Sees Iran Attacks as Likely if Israel Strikes
American officials who have assessed the likely Iranian responses to any attack by Israel on its nuclear program believe that Iran would retaliate by launching missiles on Israel and terrorist-style attacks on United States civilian and military personnel overseas.
While a missile retaliation against Israel would be virtually certain, according to these assessments, Iran would also be likely to try to calibrate its response against American targets so as not to give the United States a rationale for taking military action that could permanently cripple Tehran’s nuclear program. “The Iranians have been pretty good masters of escalation control,” said Gen. James E. Cartwright, now retired, who as the top officer at Strategic Command and as vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff participated in war games involving both deterrence and retaliation on potential adversaries like Iran.
The Iranian targets, General Cartwright and other American analysts believe, would include petroleum infrastructure in the Persian Gulf, and American troops in Afghanistan, where Iran has been accused of shipping explosives to local insurgent forces.
“Once military strikes and counterstrikes begin, you are on the tiger’s back,” said Ray Takeyh, a former Obama administration national security official who is now at the Council on Foreign Relations. “And when on the tiger’s back, you cannot always pick the place to dismount.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/29/wo...gewanted=print
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The oilcos are drooling over the $100Bs in windfall profits as the Iran-Israel war and Wall St traders push the barrel to $150+
Like a modern re-imagining of Mein Kampf.
If only Jews had their own country to run, everything would be ok for bigots like you. Oh wait!
Have you?
Wait, what? You're saying that European countries, in the 1950s, knew beforehand that because Jews are money hungry weasels they should rebuild without them. This also means that they somehow knew Israel would make it as a country even though they were mired in wars for the first oh 30 years of existence. Is that about the size of it Herr Newcastle?
Nothing to see here folks.
What if I told you, and please keep your small mind open on this, that some Europeans ARE jews? Did I just blow your mind?
Last edited by Shastafarian; 02-29-2012 at 09:26 AM.
* HerrLike a modern re-imagining of Mein Kampf.
If only Jews had their own country to run, everything would be ok for bigots like you. Oh wait!
Have you?
Wait, what? You're saying that European countries, in the 1950s, knew beforehand that because Jews are money hungry weasels they should rebuild without them. This also means that they somehow knew Israel would make it as a country even though they were mired in wars for the first oh 30 years of existence. Is that about the size of it Heir Newcastle?
Nothing to see here folks.
What if I told you, and please keep your small mind open on this, that some Europeans ARE jews? Did I just blow your mind?
and yes, I don't have anything to add ATM, just watching the show.
Ah yes thanks.
"that some Europeans ARE jews"
600K Jews in France (vs 6M ethnic North Africans).
I never heard that France or any European country has anything like AIPAC buying legislators and financing anti-Muslim haters and war-mongers.
InSaneTorum's very strong showing in northern state of Michigan shows that many "Christian" Americans long for religion over country, really want a "Christian" theorcracy to impose "Christian" rules on non-Christians, AND to make world-winde war on non-threatening Muslim countries.
So the problem is with Jews and their numbers then? Because obviously the more Jews there are, the more collective wealth they have. Oh haven't you heard? Jews have this extra sensory perception of other Jews. It's like a Vulcan Mind Meld without the touching. In one spot of the country and Jew can have a thought like, "I hate muslims but have no money. I'll just Jewcept my friend Moishe to throw millions of dollars at someone who has influence." The common mistake ignorant people make is lumping "Jews" into a collective being. AIPAC is a powerful and sometimes deleterious organization. But there are TONS of those organizations that are composed of like minded people.
The last time I heard people in favor of keeping a certain ethnic group's numbers low was, well all the time. That's what genocide comes from
I realize how unrealistic my previous post is and apologize for that. A jew with no money
Europe, it's a hole anyway. let's go back to talking about real
The US jew lobby is powerful and influential, especially since they own large part of financial/media complexes. But the neocons, oil companies, military complex are no joke either. All those conspire to push our young tender troops into bloddly battles in lands that we have no business really. They have business there, not the regular americans like you and me or the children that go fight their battles.
you gotta take your glasses off and see the entire picture. that is why we ed
But for their clannish ways, their peculiar beliefs and their obvious racial impairment, one might even consider them American.
lol "Jew lobby" guy telling General Jodl to watch what he says about "the Jews"
do you deny there is a Jew US Lobby that influences US Policies?
"a Jew US lobby?" -- I deny it.
There are Jewish lobbies of many different stripes, I do not deny that.
I presume you were referrring to AIPAC. Are there other organizations that fall under that designation for you?
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