Phil Jackson was simply the best professional sports coach because he knew how to handle today's athletes. Too many coaches try the Bill Parcells hard-ass route, or pull a 180 and try to be a bff coach. Phil could handle all the egos and get them concentrated on one goal for 48 minutes, then they could hate each other afterward. Jordan and Cartwright hated each other. Kobe and Shaq had a visceral hatred for one another but still 3-peated.
You can't tell me the triangle offense is what made the difference for them cause it wasn't. Phil just knows when to speak and when to shut up.
Most NBA coaches don't know how to handle these nouveau-riche thuggin and buggin negroes. Phil did.
Jackson also has to assume a goodly measure of blame for Daddy & Kobe's divorce. He was the adult in charge. Yes, they 3 peated, but, that is not the point. Phil failed. Just because Media decided to give him a pass doesn't relieve him of his culpability.
Thats all the mics are suppose to pick up. When the coach gives strategy, the mics have to be turned off or it would give a decided advantage to the opposing team especially if a member of the team was watching the broadcast.
Yeah, perhaps Ron Washington should've checked his iPhone before calling on Matt Harrison.
I'm actually both an insecure kid who gets trust funds to pay for my psych degree AND I'm unable to dispute the responses in this thread. I just wish I could be accepted by all of the really intelligent posters on this board.
I find it challenging to point out the obvious.
I mean, defensive adjustments in the playoffs aren't really that important. Calling a timeout during an opponent's run or letting them play is just guessing. Homecourt crowd doesn't have an effect, really.
Out of bounds plays... what's an open 3 pointer worth to a contested one in the end anyways, right?
Player s up... pulling or leaving him with regards to his mental confidence.... not a big deal.
Handling the minutes and solidifying a rotation during an 82 game season is easy peesy.
Letting a star player play with one foul left to give when you're down by ten with 8 minutes left to go in the 4th is not a hard decision to make when you think about it.
I've never heard of a coach improving shooting form in the history of the NBA.
Timeout to call down by 3 after getting the rebound with 12 seconds left... flip a coin.
Double an un-guardable player like Dirk and risk the team streaking, or live with his 42 points and growing confidence in a playoff series.
Defense? Every team plays great defense. Overrated tbh.
Coaches like Pop are stuck up for playing a defense that runs a little differently. Players like Brent Barry only have a hard time learning the Spurs system because they're uneducated blacks.
Phil had an easy time balancing the egos of Shaq and Kobe... I mean, he only got three rings out of something doomed to fall apart. It's easy to win with stars... just like the years the Lakers won with Kobe, Shaq, Malone, and Peyton.... and don't forget Miami winning their rings last year with Lebron, Wade, and Bosh... stars are the only reason for winning in this league. Kincks are another great example. Melo, Baron, JR, Amare, Tyson, and Lin have translated to the superior record of 17-18. It has nothing to do with coaching, and everything to do with the stars, baby.
And game plans in the playoffs are easy. They only have to watch like 15 minutes of tape. It should be obvious.
True. He's another coach who does nothing but yell ENERGY! DEFENSE! While the perimeter players on his team are chucking up 3s and ignoring Dwight.
Wow, what a list of unimpressive tasks you compiled.
Don't be such a got and you won't have a problem.
Are you ing serious?Your defense of coaching is that they know when to call timeouts? Like every living soul who watches basketball doesn't know a timeouts coming when the other team scores 3-4 consecutive unanswered baskets. You're already off to a great start here
Btw, your sarcasm schtick is lame and it shows me that the y insecure person you portray yourself to be online is actually who you are in real life. anyways...yes, let's get on our knees and slurp Pop b/c he can get his guys to inbound a basketball to an open man.
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"easy peesy"...holy , you truly are a got. "Omg, he has to solidify a 12-man rotation. Phil Jackson kept the same ing rotations and rest for his stars forever. You knew Kobe would play all but the end of quarters, and sit for the first 5-6 minutes of the 2nd and 4th quarters, like clockwork....but no, it's oh so difficult!Handling the minutes and solidifying a rotation during an 82 game season is easy peesy."
If he has 5 fouls with 8 minutes to go then you failed him as a coach alreadyLetting a star player play with one foul left to give when you're down by ten with 8 minutes left to go in the 4th is not a hard decision to make when you think about it.
If they truly made a difference then Shaq would've figured out FT's. Cross another lame point off the list.I've never heard of a coach improving shooting form in the history of the NBA.
Yeah, that's a really difficult decision. Now you're just reaching for .Timeout to call down by 3 after getting the rebound with 12 seconds left... flip a coin.
Umm, yeah...thanks for proving my point how easy it is. He only has 2 choices. If one doesn't work, you have more games to try the alternative. If that doesn't work, then great players>>>>coaching, like we've been saying, dumbass.Double an un-guardable player like Dirk and risk the team streaking, or live with his 42 points and growing confidence in a playoff series.
If you have the personnel to play great defense, you usually play it.Defense? Every team plays great defense. Overrated tbh.
Do you even know what you're talking about with this particular part?Coaches like Pop are stuck up for playing a defense that runs a little differently. Players like Brent Barry only have a hard time learning the Spurs system because they're uneducated blacks.
Phil had an easy time balancing the egos of Shaq and Kobe... I mean, he only got three rings out of something doomed to fall apart. It's easy to win with stars... just like the years the Lakers won with Kobe, Shaq, Malone, and Peyton.... and don't forget Miami winning their rings last year with Lebron, Wade, and Bosh... stars are the only reason for winning in this league. Kincks are another great example. Melo, Baron, JR, Amare, Tyson, and Lin have translated to the superior record of 17-18. It has nothing to do with coaching, and everything to do with the stars, baby.
Great players>>>>great coaching. What that means is when they're both at their best, great players take a wet on coaches. It's not Spo's fault or RC's genius that made LeBron James shrivel up in the waning moments of the Finals on 3 consecutive nights. The Knicks are playing well with Jeremy Lin as starter too, and those Lakers made it to the Finals. So your best argument is 2 teams who made it to the Finals in their first year together (Payton and Mailman with LA, superfriends in Miami). Great argument, champ.
Last edited by Ryan Fitzpatrick; 02-25-2012 at 11:21 PM.
Since we're naming every arbitrary task in the book now...
and setting the thermostat in the film room is easy. Never mind that if you set it too warm it makes the players sleepy. I'm sure that's unimportant.
and having the players shoot lay-up drills in pregame is unimportant, rust is overrated.
and choosing the right flavor gatorade is not essential at all. all the players like lemon-lime, right?
and telling them which basket to score on is overrated too i guess, huh?
and round and round we go
My Ryan taking a wet dirty all over proxy
Round and round we go... and you just continue to play this game where you give your baseless opinion on something you can only imagine. I give you reasons that can be seen only on the surface of what the media gives, and you act like more should be known. There is no validity to anything you're saying. It's just you thinking it's easy. It's you voicing your sole egotistical opinion instead of looking at what common sense tells us. Are owners just turning bums into millionaires for no apparent reason... if we are to take your opinions seriously, then that's the reality.
The unfortunate reality is that the bums on this board can't go become millionaires by coaching an NBA team. Sit on the curb and say, "Well , I can stand there and yell at the players... I do that at the bar every night!"
They don't know anymore than the devoted fan. The analysts on ESPN are as capable of coaching. Charles Barkley can coach the Lakers.
Yeah, I don't think so. Nice try though, but you're denying a lot of common sense and making assumptions on the parts that are hidden from public observation. I know you want to think you're basketball IQ is higher than the Van Gundy bros, but you're going to have to face the harsh reality of that fat annoying Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Lu ck_The_Fakers_ of a man and his midget bald sibling will always have more nba smarts and more money than you'll ever know or see.
if you have an idiot like d'antonie as your head coach you ain't never winnin despite what players you have, so it IS a big deal imho
You continue to look re ed by defending NBA coaches tooth and nail over what is the easiest job in professional sports. Your agenda is pretty clear now though, since you're obviously defending the honor of your pock-faced hero to make him look like some great basketball mind.
Yes, it takes a lot of genius to win les with the best power forward to ever play (in his prime), a great wing player and PG, and one of the best perimeter defenders ever (who Riley discovered, not Pop btw). Since winning in 2007 though the Spurs have gotten older, Horry and Bowen have retired, and they've been embarrassed in the playoffs the last 3 years at the hands of weak playoff teams. What happened? Oh yeah, his stars got old and brittle.
I'm sorry, but listing banal tasks like "knowing when to call timeouts" is ing laughable, and is common sense knowledge to anybody who's watched the NBA for even a week. Drawing up an inbounds pass or calling one of a handful of basketball offensive plays in existence is not genius. Coaches do it at the middle and high school levels too. The difference is they're not dealing with multimillion dollar egos.
and lol at "turning bums into millionaires."--definitely your dumbest comment of the thread, and that's saying something. Yes, getting former players or proteges of former coaches is really scouring the country and turning bums into millionaires. The NBA coach is a babysitter, and if he can keep his stars' egos in line and his players out of the drunktank, then he's considered successful,
It's not surprising that you have an over-inflated sense of worth of NBA head coaches though, due to the choices you've made in your life. The NBA coach is about as meaningless as a BA in Psychology, which will net you a cashier's job at Starbucks or maybe a subs ute teacher position if you play your cards right.
NBA Head Coaches have 2 distinct jobs: Game management. Ego Management. Thats it. Soem coaches in the NBA are good at one or the other. Only a select few are good at both... The rest either do nothing or straight up hurt their teams...
A coach who personifies exceptional ego management skills and at the same time hurts his team with his game management decisions is Rick Adleman.
An example of a coach who manages a game exceptionally, but can't get along with any of his players, for the life of him, could be Avery Johnson.
Examples of coaches who know when to call a time out (you know, before your 20 point lead has evaporated to a 2 point deficit), and then make an adjustment that has an effect, and at the same time can manage even the largest egos is an exclusive group, consisting of pretty much just Rick Carlisle and formerly Larry Bird, and Phil Jackson.
Planning, schemes, defensive/offensive philosophy, that is all up to the assistant coaches/coordinators. Guys like Tex Winters, John Kuster, and Kevin O'Neill.
Guys who just hurt their teams with their inep ude, have no ability to make any in-game adjustments, and just seem to let their players do whatever the they want, to the detriment of the team, include guys like Mike D'Antoni, and formerly Tim Floyd.
imho the only time an NBA head coaching change is needed is when you have an elite team that doesn't respect their coach and can't win a le.
Once this Knicks team underachieves in the playoffs then you fire Mike D'Antoni and bring in a Phil Jackson-type to handle the rest.
That's the ONLY time I feel a coaching change is ever needed. If you stick Phil Jackson out in Milwaukee/Utah, neither team is going to do any better than if I coached them
Before 2007 I would agree. But I think we saw that the same team that Rudy Tomjonavic coached (lacking Shaq) didn't even make the playoffs. But the next year with P-Jax, he took that SAME TEAM, and almost upset a much better Phoenix team.
P-Jax would be an upgrade, if only for his credibility, over almost any coach in the NBA.
Oh there's no doubt that Phil Jackson coming in and coaching a team would be an upgrade in terms of wins and losses. But that Lakers team was still first round fodder two years in a row and were still nowhere close to contending, even in such a weak era
So now we're saying a high school coach calls as good of inbounds plays as professional NBA coaches? Maybe my evident BA in psych clouds my mind, but I think that's ing hilarious. I'll go ahead and assume you're actually a Suns fan, and in that case it's understandable that you have such a vendetta against coaches when you had D'Antoni ruining the franchise.
Not going on a limb in using him as an example of coaching, but it was easy to notice the discrepancy between Pop's team and Mike's team. You had an offensive juggernaut against a defensive juggernaut. One team made adjustments and the other one didn't. The Spurs were able to beat the Suns at their own game. Both teams had equal talent. Where does the babysitting and high school coaching knowledge come into play on SA's side? You would have a point for Mike though. Hopefully he gave his COY to Nash.
How exactly does Dallas turn from a soft offensive team to a defensive minded franchise? The transition in coaching from Don Nelson to Avery and now Carlisle had a significant amount to do with it.
And the "bums to millionaires" thing... I was making fun of you. You didn't catch that. I assume from your viewpoint, Lawrence Frank and Tom Thibodeau must've gotten some really great babysitting techniques from the great "coaches" they learned from... Changing diapers and calling high school inbounds plays. I'm sure everyone is just playing motion offense and getting wide open 3's from baseline screens off the inbounds. They usually forget about the inbounds passer... and the trick plays like having Metta World Peace get on all fours and start barking like a dog so the distraction leaves Bynum for a wide open dunk. Guard their right since they can't dribble with their left kind of .
No one is sitting here thinking Pop and Phil get props and Duncan and Kobe were their pawns. Then again, no one is sitting here stating Larry Brown's success with completely different teams on different levels including a starless Piston's team as babysitting with a high school playbook either... except for you I guess. Your ego lets you say some ridiculous .
save your keystrokes, bruh. its obvious he has no clue what the he's talking about.
Another block of from you...no surprise there. I've seriously never seen someone cream their pants over an inbounds pass like you do. YES, YOU'RE TAUGHT AT THE MS/HS LEVEL HOW TO EXECUTE SIMPLE LIKE THAT--IF YOU HAVEN'T IMPROVED ON THAT BY THE TIME YOU'RE A PRO THEN YOU'RE A ING RE .
Maybe you're right with all these amazing coaching tasks, though. Just the other day I was at a bar with a couple buddies watching the Heat-Knicks game, and when the Knicks went on an 8-0 run, Spo called timeout. I turned to my friend and said, "Damn, that was a uva timeout!"
Also, good job making a bigger fool out of yourself by saying the Suns had as much talent as the Spurs
How did Dallas change from soft chokers (which is what they were up until last year with RC) to champs? Good perimeter D with Kidd, Linc, and Marion--but most importantly by far--Tyson Chandler on the inside.
You're enamored with the simplest of things, which means you're a simple person with a simple mind. Lawrence Frank and Tom Thibodeau haven't done as HC's but get their asses beat by teams with superstars--THANKS FOR PROVING MY POINT AGAIN.
Hey, Byron Scott took a defunct franchise to back to back NBA Finals!...He must be good!
Last edited by Ryan Fitzpatrick; 02-26-2012 at 04:41 PM.
Your opinion is biased b/c a coach is the only father figure in your life.
He didn't take the same team.
First off, Rudy T was 24-19 with that team. If he didn't get fed up with dealing with Kobe and quit in the middle of the season, that team is on pace for 45-46 wins. More important, Kobe and Odom played 66 and 64 games respectively that year. The next year with Phil they each played 80 games. When they're by far the two best players on the team, that difference in games played is huge. The 2005 Lakers would not have made the playoffs regardless of the coach given Kobe an Odom missing games and also how much that team grossly underestimated the adjustment it would have to make without Shaq.
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