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Umm....I guess you don't pay attention to the takes YOU post.
Andrew Luck
Robert Griffin III
save your keystrokes, bruh. When deadly is in his anti-black zone, nothing you say will change his mind.
Umm....I guess you don't pay attention to the takes YOU post.
When I see a black QB succeed consistently on the pro-level I'll change my mind.
Deal?
Deal. pay attention to cam newton this year
I hear ya, man...and I generally agree with most of your posts in this thread. In the NFL the haves and have-nots are separated by good QB's--but I think you're just desperate to get anything as good as mediocre at QB--like Bills, Dolphins, and Redskins fans feel. But mortgaging all those picks for a guy who's so not-ready for the NFL and comes from a conference and offensive system (and race) chock fulla failure, you have to have a logical perspective when assessing it.
Not to mention he'd be going up against the Steelers and Ravens defenses, as well as an up-and-coming Bengals D. He's going to get destroyed in that division.
As for your other point, USC QB's--although unspectacular--have accomplished more than Big 12 QB's. Cassel isn't great by any stretch, but he did have 27/7 in 2010, and would've won the division this year if not for injuries to 2 of his 3 biggest weapons, as well as his own injuries. That division sucked ass. Sanchez is not much else either, but he's 4-2 in the playoffs in 3 seasons, including wins over Palmer, Rivers, Manning, and Brady (all on the road). In 2010 he played great in the postseason.
Big 12 QB's have a bust rate of 100%.
I like Cam, Trill. He became more of a runner later in the year, but after he established that he's got a gun and is willing to stand in the pocket. I hope he succeeds cause he's a nice guy, but teams now have a year of film on him and he's in a division with 2 teams that are clearly better than them.Deal. pay attention to cam newton this year
Cam Newton stat d on a bad team. Most overrated rookie ever. How bout he actually leads his team to a winning record before he's crowned the great black hope.
He did pretty good for a black qb, though. A lot better than sorry ass jimmy clausen.
black QB > Notre Dame QB
These are tings that we know!
This is why Charlie Weis is the best QB coach of all time, he made Brady Quinn and Jimmy Claussen both look like they belong in the NFL.
I'm playing Devil's advocate a little bit here, tbh. I like Matt Barkley a lot, actually.
My problem is that there's this notion- at least among Browns fans- that Barkley will be there for the taking next year. I hear it all the time: "Let's give Colt another year and go out and get Barkley next year."
Thing is, if there's one team in front of you in the 2013 Draft, and they're dead-set on a QB, you're not getting Matt Barkley. Good chance you won't have the means or the opportunity to "go get him."
That's a fair point, but I'm still not sold on the theory of trading up now to get "anybody but Colt."
Also, going into next year how many teams can you say are clearly worse than the Browns? In the AFC I can only think of the Jags, but they just drafted a QB (although he sucks) and will probably wait till he gets receivers around him before giving up. The Bills are the only other team in the AFC with a chance to suck as bad as those two.
In the NFC you have Washington, Minnesota, TB, STL, and Seattle to contend with. Minnesota just drafted a QB, Freeman crashed back down to earth but he's still young, and the Rams are either going to draft RG3, or keep Bradford and ac ulate picks (that would be the better move). Assuming the teams who just drafted QB's stick with their guys, I think Washington, Buffalo, and Seattle are your main compe ion for him. Are the Browns better than any of those teams? Maybe Washington...
I'd say Washington, Tampa and Seattle will all be better than Cleveland. I can't honestly think of a team that looks worse than Cleveland right now.
Seattle will probably be better. They have an underrated and solid young D, and they have an above average WR corps, TE, and RBs:
Sidney Rice
Mike Williams
Doug Baldwin (up and comer)
Golden Tate (decent as a #4)
Zach Miller at TE
Marshawn Lynch at RB.
They would be a good team with even a solid QB, over Jigaboo Jackson
Washington and Tampa both play in tough divsions too though. TB had a bunch of injuries last year, but they're ceiling is probably 7-8 wins from here on out. Still, better than Cleveland.
As far as Washington, I think this is the team that will trade the house to get RG3, unless they can land Peyton. Washington just flat out sucks. Every year they start off 3-1 or 4-2, then lose 7 of their next 8.
Last edited by Ryan Fitzpatrick; 02-28-2012 at 03:45 PM.
Yeah, starting off 3-1 or 4-2 is a good enough start to end up with a better record than Cleveland.
St. Louis went 2-14 this past season and still didn't get the top overall pick, fwiw.
I think Cleveland has 2-14 potential, possibly 1-15, if they trot out the same re ed idea of trying to run a west coast offense with that personnel.
Schedules aren't out yet, but here are the Browns opponents in 2012:
Home:
Steelers, L
Ravens, L
Bengals, L
Chiefs, ?
Chargers, L
Bills, W
Eagles, L
Redskins, W
Away:
Steelers, L
Ravens, L
Bengals, L
Giants, L
Cowboys, L
Broncos, L
Raiders, L
Colts, L
Holy what an unforgiving road schedule.
3-13 tops, imo
You're still a racist ..doesn't change a thing. Dress it up however you want, you think this guy won't succeed as a QB because he's black.
Umm....I guess you don't pay attention to the takes YOU post.
Black or not, I just don't see what makes Griffin so much more special than other run first QB's in draft history other than the fact that he put up huge numbers in a gimmicky system
Yeah, I woulda gone back to calling me a racist too if i had just eaten my words
tbh him being black gives him a slight chance at success due to 1/46.
Being a Big 12 QB is the coup de grace though, as they have a 100% NFL bust rate.
Don't get mad Brannon...1 for 46 and 0 & forever are just statistics. I'm sure RG3 will buck both those trends though because he's smart, has faith, and loves his mama.
I'm not saying he's going to make it...I'm saying I think he can. And I'm also saying that the fact that he's black means jack , that's all.Yeah, I woulda gone back to calling me a racist too if i had just eaten my words
tbh him being black gives him a slight chance at success due to 1/46.
Being a Big 12 QB is the coup de grace though, as they have a 100% NFL bust rate.
Don't get mad Brannon...1 for 46 and 0 & forever are just statistics. I'm sure RG3 will buck both those trends though because he's smart, has faith, and loves his mama.
Sucks they're not playing Buffalo. What are we going to do without the Browns and Bills meeting in a game that sets the sport back three decades?
um doesn't it say they are playing buffalo....?
Yeah, the Bills travel to Cleveland this year...I'm sure tickets will be real pricey for det oneSucks they're not playing Buffalo. What are we going to do without the Browns and Bills meeting in a game that sets the sport back three decades?
That 2010 meeting was a classic. 10-6 iirc.
Except that he's not a run-first QB. He's a (very accurate) passer that can run.
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