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    Orange Whip? Orange Whip? Viva Las Espuelas's Avatar
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    I wouldn't bother with dump.

    Get it from the source

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    He keeps trying to destry this nation. I sure hope we survive.

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    I was skeptical of the accuracy at first, but tracing various links... Multiple sites.

    From Find Law:Obama cuts military health care benefits, leaves unionized civilians untouched. I don't think this site would publish bunk.

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    Obama cuts military health care benefits, leaves unionized civilians untouched

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    Wouldn't Congress have to approve this?

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    Wouldn't Congress have to approve this?
    they already did. it was all part of the deal to avoid default.

    the "super committee" was supposed to find a solution

    if they didn't then cuts all across the board. (except unions )

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    they already did. it was all part of the deal to avoid default.

    the "super committee" was supposed to find a solution

    if they didn't then cuts all across the board. (except unions )
    Link to this? Everything I read says Congress would have to approve those cuts.

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    On Nov. 21, the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction announced they had failed to come to a bipartisan agreement on deficit reduction measures. The super committee’s failure means that $1.2 trillion in automatic cuts known as “sequestration” will take place in 2013. The more immediate impact of the committee’s failure is Congress must now deal with several issues that were assumed to be addressed in the deficit reduction plan.

    In addition to creating the super committee, the Budget Control Act created a process to enact budget cuts regardless of the committee’s outcome. The cuts totaling $1.2 trillion will come from defense ($450B), non-defense ($300B) and en lement programs ($170B) starting in 2013. According to the Congressional Budget Office, as a percentage of defense spending, nothing will be cut more than 10 percent.

    http://news.agc.org/2011/11/23/super...oming-in-2013/

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    Troops certainly love their welfare...

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    Right. Congress still have to decide what gets cut within those parameters. Read the linked stories.

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    I never claimed I knew the process.

    Obama still left them untouched
    You can't even claim to know he could touch them at this time, idiot. you don't even know what you are saying.

    Chump, lets phrase this differently.

    Do you honestly think Obama would stand up to the SEICU and other unions to reduce Federal civilian employee health benefits in order the save the Federal Government money like he did with the military?
    Furthermore, do you think that Obama would stand up to the SEICU and other unions to shift Federal civilian retirement benefits from a defined benefit plan to a defined contribution plan?
    Sure. Absolutely. It's not like he has held a hard line on -- anything.

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    He keeps trying to destry this nation. I sure hope we survive.
    You sound like Santorum.

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    He keeps trying to destry this nation. I sure hope we survive.

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    He keeps trying to destry this nation. I sure hope we survive.
    You're full of .

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    I was skeptical of the accuracy at first, but tracing various links... Multiple sites.

    From Find Law:Obama cuts military health care benefits, leaves unionized civilians untouched. I don't think this site would publish bunk.

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    Obama cuts military health care benefits, leaves unionized civilians untouched
    Wow.

    FindLaw posts links to articles!

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    Sure. Absolutely. It's not like he has held a hard line on -- anything.


    You REALLY can't believe that. Obama will NEVER cross the SEIU.

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    You REALLY can't believe that. Obama will NEVER cross the SEIU.
    Sure I can believe it. Speaking in absolutes is pretty stupid.

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    pay raises to end in 15. insurance to go up by 400%+ in the next five years. With 80k soldiers getting the boot.

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    they already did. it was all part of the deal to avoid default.

    the "super committee" was supposed to find a solution

    if they didn't then cuts all across the board. (except unions )
    This is just the military getting hosed. civilian DOD aren't included in this.

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    so now it looks like they ARE gone and forgotten

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    To answer the question about unionized workers, yes there is a collective bargaining agreement that is negotiated regularly.

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    Troops certainly love their welfare...
    It's not welfare...those benefits are earned through years of service, multiple moves, and deployments. I'm not outraged by this because it doesn't look like there's much impact, but it would seem Congress and the president could find cuts elsewhere.

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    In crap dumper's eyes, Obama is perfect and can do no wrong. He gets a break on anything because it's evil dummy Bush's fault. If Obama sharted while giving a speech, it would be Bush's fault.

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    "According to one congressional estimate, a retired Army colonel with a family currently paying $460 a year for health coverage would pay $2,048 under the new price schedule."

    support our troops
    That's the cost of about two months of employee + family HC on a good plan at my work.

    tbh, Pandora's box was opened under Bush I when they started charging ANYTHING for HC. This was inevitable. The retirement was changed, too. You only get 40% of base pay after 20 years now, not 50%.

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    let's not forget the billions to trillions in the future we will be spending to treat the victims of Dubya's wars....sucks that the DOD can't prioritize its budget and has to play games like this to feed the anti-cut-the-defense budget crowd...

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    To answer the question about unionized workers, yes there is a collective bargaining agreement that is negotiated regularly.
    See what I mean?

    In crap dumper's eyes, Obama is perfect and can do no wrong. He gets a break on anything because it's evil dummy Bush's fault. If Obama sharted while giving a speech, it would be Bush's fault.
    I didn't blame Bush for your being the stupidest posted on this board.

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