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Enlighten me. Yes I do know what I am talking about.
Why does an all-powerful God constantly feels the need to "test" people? What kind of sick SOB causes so much death and destruction, and allows monsters(serial killers, child rapists, and the like) to get away with it for so long(in some cases, never getting caught at all)?
If there's a God, he obviously doesn't have some grand plan for humanity. He's more like a 5-year old with an ant farm.
Enlighten me. Yes I do know what I am talking about.
If there is a perfectly good God, his personality is more mature than that of a 5-year old. If he is completely good, you and are I in just as much trouble as a serial killer or rapist. If he is completely good, every selfish action or hateful thought or little lie is making each of us an announced and purposeful enemy of an all-good God. So you and I would be in as much trouble as the other ants, be they wickeder ants or not.
Thus God being called graceful. We just wish he only displayed grace to a certain type of sinners.
And in the Bible, man is God-made.
God failed.
I can list a large number of obvious contradictions, mostly from Old to New Testament, but one contradiction is enough to invalidate the entire Bible.The Bible can seem contradictory but there's no reason to become so discourage by it. What particular contradiction are you having issues with ?
Who created God?
How so?
Ok, name the one you have in mind and lets start there.
God has always been. If you start with the "what or who came first" line of questioning, it will continue forever. For example, who created the person who created God ? etc. etc.
Even if you say the Universe has always been, we know that it isn't a bunch of nothingness. There are planets, stars, gasses..Who put all that there ? What caused it ?
Our Universe started with God's creation. Nothingness was prevalent. No time, no dark matter of outer space, nothing.
So God is a has been?
Even Nietzsche would blush.
I see what you did there. Funny.
No, you don't know what you are talking about.
If you say that God has always been, I can say that the universe has always been.
There are hundreds of religious and creationist sites with ready-made answers for all such questions which people could simply copy and paste, but it's obvious he's too green for such debates yet. I could defend his position better than him.
Anyway, as for something coming out of nothing, it is possible of course, as per quantum mechanics, but then it begins from how you'd define what 'nothing' is. If, for example, we accept that vacuum is nothing, then yes - something can and does come out of it, namely pairs of particles pop in and out of existence spontaneously in vacuum. There are a lot of physicists who have been working on this matter, including Einstein, Heisenberg, Hawking, Casimir. There is a very interesting experiment made in the 1940s with two Casimir plates - identical metal plates put very closely to each other in vacuum, where vacuum fluctuations create a pressure pushing them together. It's quite a famous experiment for people in this area of physics and has been reconfirmed in 1997 again. If you know people dealing with nano-technologies they'll tell you how this phenomenon is causing them a lot of trouble. Basically this challenges one of the main laws of physics - the one of conservation of energy - in a short enough period of time energy conservation can be briefly violated, which is amazing. This leads us to the Heisenberg uncertainty and I could go on for hours as it's an endless topic.
Bottomline is, yes, something can come out of nothing. This is a fairly recent article about such an experiment, so if someone is interested, it might be useful for them.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...e-nothing.html
Last edited by BG_Spurs_Fan; 03-02-2012 at 08:34 PM.
Do not try to reason a man out of something he did not reason himself into.
-Jonathan Swift
Which is basically why this stuff never resolves anything.
Jonathan Swift did not say God was Santa Claus for adults. And God did not say science is trying to test your beliefs in me, beware. At least I hope "he" did not, cause I dont want to have anything to do with the almighty if he did.
If God is perfect and that which he made "good" ends up being less than perfect, then he screwed up.
Which means either God is imperfect, he is not omnipotent, he is not omniscient or any combination of these three.
There's so many to choose from.Ok, name the one you have in mind and lets start there.
I googled bible contradictions and picked the first one:
Matt 5:16 "In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven."
(NIV) Matt 6:3-4 "But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." (NIV)
Ok, go ahead and say the universe has always been and then state your challenges to the scientific community which seems to agree that it began with the Big Bang. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. Its above you.
You're funny. You can't explain your own answers much less mine. You seem to want to keep defining Nothing as really Something. As I stated before and you can't seem to conceptualize is that physics doesn't work here.
I'll address your other false statement regarding "nothing". The definition of "Nothing" is "Not Anything". Meaning, there is an absence of anything. Even a vacuum is something. Please don't even begin to think you can label me as green.
You were right to scram the first time. You have nothing to offer here.
Last edited by tmtcsc; 03-02-2012 at 11:04 PM.
You're premise is flawed and without merit. God is perfect, omnipotent and anything else that is good. He made man independent, autonomous and with free will. Because man is not perfect, its reasonable to believe man will make mistakes.
You seem to want God to return and fix that which man has ed up. Pretty lazy on your part tbh.
If you're going to bring up a contradiction, it helps to look at the whole context of the chapter - Jesus was telling his listeners to not make their giving a public spectacle like some were doing because they wanted public recognition for their good deed and therefore performing the good deed for the wrong reason (Matt 6:5). As far as letting God's light shine throught the believer - 2 Corinthians 4:6 is a better comparison for Matt 5:16.
It's pretty simple folks -a believer believes that God is, was and will ever be (Rev. 1:8). God transcends limitations of the physical world because he is a spirtual being that comprises everything. God cannot create evil, but he did give man the free will to choose between good and evil. To argue that God is himself evil because he allows evil is ignorant of God's view of the big picture of humanity and how he uses evil to produce good (see the plight of Joseph in Genesis 39). Only God can measure the overall weight on the scale of justice and one can only understand love because they've experienced hate or a lack of love.
There's my preaching for the day, but to say that you can prove away God is pretty bold especially given that even the world's most famous atheist won't even say that there's no chance of God's existence:
Maybe these guys can help you with your arguments...be careful of Krauss, he doesn't get "nothing" either. I'm sure you'll like his smart-ass, cynical approach though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUe0_4rdj0U
Here's this genius' book:
Thanks Underdawg. It's too easy isn't it? Bible beaters used to be the ones that plucked statements from the Bible to make a point but now non-believers are doing the same. READ THE CONTEXT. Don't be lazy.
The universe as we know it came about as a result of The Big Bang. Find a single scientist who claims that everything came from nothing.
thinking that belief in The Big Bang theory means belief that everything came from nothing
Laughing at idiots like you never gets old.
Here's your answer: Lawrence Krauss
His Book is led "A Universe from Nothing" w/ a foreward by your hero Richard Dawkins
Laughing at people smarter than you must keep you in s ches. ing moron. You got owned again.
Laughing at idiots like you never gets old.
Last edited by tmtcsc; 03-03-2012 at 01:15 AM.
tmtcsc... you won't ever be taken seriously. One reason is that you base your knowledge on one source. Two, you display your 14 year old age by using an edited picture of s as your avatar and use the word "owned."
You believe in God because you either grew up that way and never attained a reasonable level of intelligence to see how flawed and obviously fake dogma is, and/or you're terrified of your mortality because in all brutal honesty, you're just a coward that can't except things for how they really are.
So, if I get you correctly, such a thing as 'nothing' does not exist anywhere, right, as even vacuum is something, black matter is something, etc. Is this correct?
Did you read this book? Is it necessary to believe that the universe came from nothing to believe the Big Bang theory is correct?
Yeah, God made them imperfect.
So God knowingly made something that would make mistakes?Because man is not perfect, its reasonable to believe man will make mistakes.
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