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2 points:
- do you go overseas to fight leaving your family behind at the risk of death at your work?
- even if it was inevitable, why leave unionized defense workers untouched?
In my six years in the Air Force I was subject to two force reduction efforts that were a result of DoD prioritization from slashed budgets. I also saw programs like the F/A-22 cut overall production in half.
Whether you want to believe it or not, defense budgets are shrinking and the DoD has always prioritized.
2 points:
- do you go overseas to fight leaving your family behind at the risk of death at your work?
- even if it was inevitable, why leave unionized defense workers untouched?
To be fair CD, not being a government civilian myself I'm not sure exactly what is negotiated within each CBA. I know it sets work rules, but I don't know if it outlines health care coverage and/or costs.
Quick point about vilifying "unionized defense workers" Che. They also deploy, albeit voluntarily, and put themselves in harm's way. And actually they're the only group among regular "deployers" (service members, gov civilians and defense contractors) that pay taxes on the income they earn while deployed. I'm not saying they don't earn good money over there, but it would be wrong to assume they also don't make sacrifices.
And nobody knows what they pay now. That article was pure politics and the "independent thinkers" here accepted it without question.
military are made to sign contracts. eight years initially. Therefore I feel they should be protected with an expected pay amount. Bush was the only one who has kept our pay near or above inflation.
We can't afford it! If they don't like it they should go get another job!
Or so we're told...
End tenure! Pay should be results-based!
Or so we're told...
I agree and alot of good ones are getting out. The problem is they signed contracts before this decision.
El nono: you are trying to incorporate a union system and free market system with the military. The only group of people in america who are not protected by their cons utional rights.
its easier to kick the man whose not in the union, while not upsetting the unions...
why doesnt he do something about middle govt management....pay salary and perks
I have no decision power, so I'm not incorporating anything. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy on the rhetoric.
Does the contract specify a particular percent rate? Should've read the fine print, I guess...
Ties to welfare (i.e. the subject of my original rebuttal) how?
lmao. you don't know what you are talking about. like usual just generalizing and talking out of your ass. An enlistment contract with a percentage rate?congress cant even pass a budget and you want them to do that?
Nobody knows what the unionized workers are paying.
If you don't know, you don't know and can't really talk about this at all.
Refer to post #56 please.
Then stop talking about it. Advice can be a wonderful thing or a disaster. God bless.
Keeping Wasteful Defense Spending vs. Helping Vets
http://www.americanprogress.org/issu..._spending.html
iow, MIC's corporate greed trumps welfare and pensions for veterans.
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- everybody dies, and they chose their profession. I have been in the military, and a big part of it is getting the short end of the stick. If they were to get what they should be compensated, you'd have to pay foot soldiers six figure salaries. Not practical, affordable or realistic.
- strawman. the conflict and money isn't with the unionized workers, it's with VERY expensive very useless weapons systems that won't help with our #1 threat: low tech fundamentalist Islamic extremist attacks. Drop just one wasteful multi-billion dollar weapons system, and everybody gets paid.
You must have suffered head trauma recently.
That's what I've been hearing here when teachers (who also have a contract) complain they have to pay more out of their pockets for health insurance and the like...
Welfare! End tenure!
Does the enlistment contract include a clause indicating their contribution to health care won't change for the duration? Should be pretty easy to answer since you're allegedly familiar with these contracts...
What the are you talking about? who is talking about clauses? The congress sets the budget. Therefore of course there is no guaranteed future earnings.
1. There HAS been a drastic shift in the focus of emerging technology to tracking and targeting individuals. There's a full article about it in a recent Popular Science.
2. Weapon systems take several years to be brought from concept to deployment, so it's not a surprise that we have systems in late development or deployment that don't exactly counter our current threat.
3. Because weapon systems take so long to design, build, test and deploy it's the military's responsibility to not only address the current threat but to also perceive future threats and research concepts to address them as well.
I'm certainly not defending every program or their execution, but I thought this myopic post deserved some knowledgeable perspective.
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