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  1. #51
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    my entire ing point is that Rajon Rondo is not good enough to lead a team to a Championship, and you think I'm afraid to acknowledge how poorly Ray Allen played? Do you not understand where I'm going with this?

    My argument that Rajon Rondo isn't a winner presupposes that the Big Three aren't there to carry him. Ray Allen playing like helps my argument, Dale. Here are the scenarios:

    1.) the Big Three and Rondo play well, and the Celtics win game seven.
    -- That's not conclusive enough for either side.

    2.) the Big Three play poorly but Rondo does what he has to do to win game seven.
    -- That would have happened if Rondo was actually the cold-blooded winner you claim he is.

    3.) the Big Three play poorly and Rondo does not come through and lead his team to victory.
    -- What actually happened and the evidence that Rondo is not a winner.

    Trying to scapegoat Ray Allen completely undermines your argument, because you are claiming that Rajon "the winner" Rondo needed the Big Three to win the championship.

    I am claiming that without the Big Three carrying him, Rondo doesnt have what it takes to get done what he needs to get done. Ray Allen played like and the Celtics didn't win as a result, which proves my point that Rondo couldn't get done as the leading man.

    Now, stop stalling and answer my question.
    Keep working. Your rehab has just commenced.

    Let us proceed...

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    Rondo, like Jason Kidd before him, is not a top player on a le team..I realize that Kidd came close, but it was in one of the weakest stretches in East conference history..

    Building your team around a ball-dominant PG that cannot shoot or score on a consistent basis is not a formula for winning..

    I'm a fan of Rondo's game, btw, I'm just saying..

    Boston should move him while he has value..
    He isn't good enough to build around and he's good enough to cost them a premium lottery pick. Kind of like Andre Miller for the Cavaliers a decade ago.

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    Rondo is overhyped because he plays in Boston. If he were in Sacto or GS, you'd have never heard of him.

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    I have never seen a poster do so many things to try to avoid answering a simple question.

    Dale, you tried changing the subject. That didn't work. Stop stalling and answer my question.

    I answered yours, but you're too afraid to answer mine.

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    I have never seen a poster do so many things to try to avoid answering a simple question.

    Dale, you tried changing the subject. That didn't work. Stop stalling and answer my question.

    I answered yours, but you're too afraid to answer mine.
    No. Uh, uh. You're not getting off the hook that easily. Nope. I'm holding your feet to the fire. When I flub my dub you show me nary mercy. What's good for the goose is sauce for gander. You fell for Media's cover up on The Allen Fiasco and you'll suffer a goodly amount more before I take your fat outta the fire.

    + you'll thank me for my diligence some day.

    Now,

    Let us proceed...

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    how did I fall for the media's anything? Do you ever get tired of making baseless accusations?

    When did I defend Ray Allen? Show me a single post of mine where I stated that Allen's performance wasn't terrible in the Finals.

    No, wait. You said that you would answer my question if I acknowledged that Allen played terribly. I acknowledged that Allen's performance was terrible, so man up and answer my question, Dale.

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    how did I fall for the media's anything? Do you ever get tired of making baseless accusations?

    When did I defend Ray Allen? Show me a single post of mine where I stated that Allen's performance wasn't terrible in the Finals.

    No, wait. You said that you would answer my question if I acknowledged that Allen played terribly. I acknowledged that Allen's performance was terrible, so man up and answer my question, Dale.
    By omission. Had to be Media driven. Don't feel bad though, you ain't alone. I'm just not going to let you get away with it. Uh, uh, not by a jugful I ain't.

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    Oh, and is ironic as that Dale is crying about the media not crucifying Ray Allen. The majority of the media praised Rondo for the entirety of the 2010 playoffs, but Dale seems to have had no problem with that.

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    Oh, and is ironic as that Dale is crying about the media not crucifying Ray Allen. The majority of the media praised Rondo for the entirety of the 2010 playoffs, but Dale seems to have had no problem with that.
    Don't lash out. You don't wear it well. I caught ya. Just admit it.

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    By omission. Had to be Media driven. Don't feel bad though, you ain't alone. I'm just not going to let you get away with it. Uh, uh, not by a jugful I ain't.
    You claimed that Rondo is a winner. I asked you where that winning spirit was when the Celtics needed it in Game 7. Where does Ray Allen come in to a discussion about Rondo's performance in Game 7?

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    You claimed that Rondo is a winner. I asked you where that winning spirit was when the Celtics needed it in Game 7. Where does Ray Allen come in to a discussion about Rondo's performance in Game 7?
    You'd forgotten about Allen, but, you won't forget again. That, I assure you.

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    The media is full of little people who overrate Rondo with the best of 'em. I don't understand how Cully uses his media vendetta to prop Rondo up. The media is the reason people give a about a massively overrated player who can't make a shot outside 5 feet.

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    The media is full of little people who overrate Rondo with the best of 'em. I don't understand how Cully uses his media vendetta to prop Rondo up. The media is the reason people give a about a massively overrated player who can't make a shot outside 5 feet.
    Said never such. I ain't nobody's fart catcher.

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    What did I forget about Allen, AND HOW DOES THAT PERTAIN TO A DISCUSSION ABOUT RONDO'S PERFORMANCE?

    And thank you, Goran.

    Dale complaining about Allen's portrayal in the media but having no problem with the media sucking Rondo off during the entirety of the playoffs.

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    Said never such. I ain't nobody's fart catcher.
    That didn't stop you from claiming that I fell for the media's coverage of Allen with zero proof.

    If I fell for the media, then do did you. Be consistent.

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    I ain't nobody's fart catcher.
    except for red's

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    He's a big boy, let him carry his own end of the log, D.

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    What did I forget about Allen, AND HOW DOES THAT PERTAIN TO A DISCUSSION ABOUT RONDO'S PERFORMANCE?

    And thank you, Goran.

    Dale complaining about Allen's portrayal in the media but having no problem with the media sucking Rondo off during the entirety of the playoffs.
    tee, hee.

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    That didn't stop you from claiming that I fell for the media's coverage of Allen with zero proof.

    If I fell for the media, then do did you. Be consistent.
    You're gettin' there. Pappy's waitin'. Come ta him.

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    See? If Dale actually wanted me to acknowledge something, he wouldn't be so afraid of clarifying his position.

    Dale brought up Allen to avoid answering a simple question about Rondo. Now, he's avoiding answering questions about Allen.

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    See? If Dale actually wanted me to acknowledge something, he wouldn't be so afraid of clarifying his position.

    Dale brought up Allen to avoid answering a simple question about Rondo. Now, he's avoiding answering questions about Allen.
    It wasn't your fault you forgot Allen. Media made ya forget. That was their goal. I just caught you by the scruf fof the neck and reminded ya.

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    This is how the argument has played out so far:

    Dale: Rondo is a winner.
    Me: Why didn't he act like a winner in Game 7?
    Dale: What about Ray Allen?
    Me: What about him?
    Dale: You fell for the media's portrayal of him. Admit that he played poorly, and I will answer your question about Rondo.
    Me: Allen played poorly. What does this have to with Rondo's performance?
    Dale: Remember when I said that I would answer your question about Rondo? I lied. Now I will keep crying about the media and Ray Allen!
    Me: What do The media and Ray Alen have to do with Rondo's performance?
    Dale: The media! Ray Allen!

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    I hate 2 side against Cully but the kid is overrated. In 2010 he was one of the reasons I knew we would prevail. He is a very good PG but far from great. I think a poor man's Kidd is apropos but he just lacks something that Jason has.plus jkidd is credible from 3. RR may never be

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    This is how the argument has played out so far:

    Dale: Rondo is a winner.
    Me: Why didn't he act like a winner in Game 7?
    Dale: What about Ray Allen?
    Me: What about him?
    Dale: You fell for the media's portrayal of him. Admit that he played poorly, and I will answer your question about Rondo.
    Me: Allen played poorly. What does this have to with Rondo's performance?
    Dale: Remember when I said that I would answer your question about Rondo? I lied. Now I will keep crying about the media and Ray Allen!
    Me: What do The media and Ray Alen have to do with Rondo's performance?
    Dale: The media! Ray Allen!
    Fine.

    Let us proceed...

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    I hate 2 side against Cully but the kid is overrated. In 2010 he was one of the reasons I knew we would prevail. He is a very good PG but far from great. I think a poor man's Kidd is apropos but he just lacks something that Jason has.plus jkidd is credible from 3. RR may never be
    Kidd is a loser in a winner's circle. It happens.

    Rondo is a winner.

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