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Lol 13-13 nice find
That gives me an idea: Let's break it down by playoff series and see who has been the second banana more often.
2003
Suns
Parker
13.5 Points
39.8% FG%
2.5 Assists
2.0 Rebounds
2.7 Turnovers
Ginobili
7.7 Points
28.0% FG%
3.8 Assists
3.8 Rebounds
1.2 Turnovers
Lakers
Parker
14.8 Points
40.5% FG%
3.5 Assists
2.8 Rebounds
1.2 Turnovers
Ginobili
11.7 Points
51.2% FG%
2.5 Assists
3.3 Rebounds
1.5 Turnovers
Mavs
Parker
16.3 Points
42.2% FG%
4.0 Assists
3.0 Rebounds
2.2 Turnovers
Ginobili
9.7 Points
42.6% FG%
3.3 Assists
3.7 Rebounds
1.7 Turnovers
Nets
Parker
14.0 Points
38.6% FG%
4.2 Assists
3.2 Rebounds
1.8 Turnovers
Ginobili
8.7 Points
34.8% FG%
2.0 Assists
4.5 Rebounds
1.7 Turnovers
2003 Recap: Let's call the Suns and Lakers series even despite Parker having a decent case of being better in both. The Mavs and Nets series clearly Parker ahead. So far it's Parker 4, Ginobili 2.
2004
Grizzlies
Parker
21.0 Points
52.7% FG%
8.5 Assists
2.0 Rebounds
3.3 Turnovers
Ginobili
10.5 Points
36.7% FG%
2.3 Assists
4.0 Rebounds
2.5 Turnovers
Lakers
Parker
16.7 Points
38.1% FG%
6.0 Assists
2.2 Rebounds
3.0 Turnovers
Ginobili
14.7 Points
48.4% FG%
3.7 Assists
6.2 Rebounds
1.8 Turnovers
2004 Recap: Parker destroyed the Grizzlies. We'll give Ginobili the advantage against the Lakers. Now it's Parker 5, Ginobili 3.
2005
Nuggets
Parker
18.2 Points
43.9% FG%
5.8 Assists
2.8 Rebounds
3.0 Turnovers
Ginobili
22.8 Points
47.7% FG%
4.0 Assists
6.0 Rebounds
2.4 Turnovers
Sonics
Parker
17.7 Points
45.6% FG%
4.3 Assists
3.3 Rebounds
2.3 Turnovers
Ginobili
20.5 Points
57.6% FG%
4.2 Assists
5.2 Rebounds
3.3 Turnovers
Suns
Parker
20.4 Points
45.9% FG%
4.2 Assists
3.0 Rebounds
4.0 Turnovers
Ginobili
22.2 Points
49.4% FG%
4.8 Assists
6.2 Rebounds
2.2 Turnovers
Pistons
Parker
13.9 Points
45.8% FG%
3.4 Assists
2.4 Rebounds
3.1 Turnovers
Ginobili
18.7 Points
49.4% FG%
4.0 Assists
5.9 Rebounds
3.3 Turnovers
2005 Recap: Ginobili was outstanding in what turned out to be his peak. He gets each series, although Parker played well in each round. Now it's Parker 5, Ginobili 7.
2006
Kings
Parker
22.2 Points
51.0% FG%
4.7 Assists
3.5 Rebounds
3.0 Turnovers
Ginobili
15.0 Points
47.8% FG%
4.3 Assists
4.8 Rebounds
2.7 Turnovers
Mavs
Parker
20.1 Points
42.2% FG%
3.1 Assists
3.7 Rebounds
3.1 Turnovers
Ginobili
21.3 Points
48.9% FG%
1.9 Assists
4.3 Rebounds
2.4 Turnovers
2006 Recap: Parker vs. Kings, Ginobili vs. Mavs. Now it's Parker 6, Ginobili 8.
2007
Nuggets
Parker
18.2 Points
44.2% FG%
6.8 Assists
3.2 Rebounds
3.0 Turnovers
Ginobili
13.4 Points
33.9% FG%
3.8 Assists
5.0 Rebounds
2.2 Turnovers
Suns
Parker
20.8 Points
45.1% FG%
5.7 Assists
2.8 Rebounds
3.5 Turnovers
Ginobili
17.8 Points
41.0% FG%
4.3 Assists
6.8 Rebounds
1.8 Turnovers
Jazz
Parker
20.2 Points
48.1% FG%
6.8 Assists
2.8 Rebounds
3.6 Turnovers
Ginobili
17.6 Points
48.2% FG%
3.8 Assists
4.0 Rebounds
2.2 Turnovers
Cavs
Parker
24.5 Points
56.8% FG%
3.3 Assists
5.0 Rebounds
3.0 Turnovers
Ginobili
17.8 Points
36.7% FG%
2.5 Assists
5.8 Rebounds
2.3 Turnovers
2007 Recap: Parker takes Nuggets, Suns and Cavs. We'll call the Jazz a tie. Update is Parker 10, Ginobili 9.
2008
Suns
Tony Parker
29.6 Points
52.3% FG%
7.0 Assists
3.4 Rebounds
3.2 Turnovers
Manu Ginobili
18.2 Points
45.1% FG%
2.0 Assists
3.8 Rebounds
3.2 Turnovers
Hornets
Parker
19.4 Points
48.6% FG%
5.7 Assists
3.7 Rebounds
3.1 Turnovers
Ginobili
21.3 Points
43.5% FG%
6.0 Assists
4.1 Rebounds
2.7 Turnovers
Lakers
Parker
19.4 Points
47.7% FG%
5.6 Assists
4.0 Rebounds
2.4 Turnovers
Ginobili
12.6 Points
35.8% FG%
3.0 Assists
3.2 Rebounds
2.4 Turnovers
2008 Recap: Parker gets Suns and Lakers. Ginobili gets Hornets. Now it's Parker 12, Ginobili 10.
2009
Mavs
Parker
28.6 Points
54.6% FG%
6.8 Assists
4.2 Rebounds
4.2 Turnovers
Ginobili
Injured
2009 Recap: Parker was really good. Ginobili was recovering from his Olympic injury. Parker 13, Ginobili 10.
2010
Mavs
Parker
15.8 Points
47.0% FG%
5.7 Assists
3.7 Rebounds
1.8 Turnovers
Ginobili
19.0 Points
41.7% FG%
5.0 Assists
3.7 Rebounds
2.7 Turnovers
Suns
Parker
19.5 Points
47.9% FG%
5.0 Assists
4.0 Rebounds
2.8 Turnovers
Ginobili
20.0 Points
41.1% FG%
7.5 Assists
3.8 Rebounds
3.5 Turnovers
2010 Recap: Pretty darn close but let's give both to Ginobili. That makes it Parker 13, Ginobili 12.
2011
Grizzlies
Parker
19.7 Points
46.2% FG%
5.2 Assists
2.7 Rebounds
3.3 Turnovers
Ginobili
20.6 Points
44.3% FG%
4.2 Assists
4.0 Rebounds
3.4 Turnovers
2011 Recap: Parker's disappointment against the Grizzlies doesn't look that bad statistically, tbh. Ginobili was better though.
Final score: Parker 13, Ginobili 13
So yeah, if anyone says Parker has been much better than Ginobili or Ginobili has been much better than Parker ... they're biased. They've been even over the years when it matters.
Lol 13-13 nice find
^If you want to get into details about what they've done you forgot Tony also has a lot more All Star appearances, Final MVPs, and personal accomplishments then Manu so I guess that makes him the better of the two? Ok we get it Tony is the best. Besides Manu said it was Tony's team at the beginning of the season.
Ginobili would have taken Parker's role as the primary ballhandler and Neal would have played the role that he has played during TJ Ford absence. Spurs would have been fine.
They always do the same.
in 2008 and 2010 when Parker went down for long periods Manu took over and the Spurs rolled.
In 2009 and now Parker has done the same with the same results.
Manu and Tony are better than what most people realize and the Spurs system helps a lot too.
You can't give Tony '03 against the Nets with a straight face, tbh...
Manu is at a disadvantage on that comparisson tbh. Parker was a established second banana in '03 while Ginobili was a rookie.
Parker wasn't very good but Ginobili was worse. Much fewer points and assists but same number of turnovers and worse field goal percentage. Don't really see where the argument could be, tbh.
Also, '08, Tim with the 3 pointer and Manu with the drive close that series... And that's ultimately the lasting impression. Making plays when plays are needed.
Timvp pulling a DPG.
Manu wasn't steady but he had at least 3 key plays that turned that series for the Spurs. A steal on Kittles in the waning moments of the game we won in NJ. A floater over KMart that actually nailed that game. And the famed steal over RJ that turned game 6 around.Parker wasn't very good but Ginobili was worse. Much fewer points and assists but same number of turnovers and worse field goal percentage. Don't really see where the argument could be, tbh.
As far as Tony, well, Speedy Claxton played great that game 6...
The best player on the team is just being politically correct obviously, despite what he says everyone knows this is his team. Its been his team for the past two season and was at the beginning of this season before the injury. As far as the 13-13 tie, the best player on the team hadnt even completely established himself in 03' and 04' meanwhile Parker was a starter getting big minutes a couple of games into his rookie season. Everybody knows the best player on the team is much more of a playoff warrior than Parker though, clog the paint and Parker becomes very average. The best player on the team has much more in his offensive arsenal and he goes harder at the defensive end.
Eh, can't really buy it. Parker had one year advantage in the NBA but that was only Parker's second season of high level basketball. While Parker was as old as Cory Joseph and Kawhi Leonard (20) and had never seen anything like the pressure of the NBA Finals going up against a Hall of Fame point guard. Ginobili was 25 and had already been through wars in Europe.
In terms of being ready for that situation, they were pretty damn equal.
Do you remember who was defending Speedy Claxton that game?
It's not the person that ended up defending Parker.
spurfan is psychotic
The best player on the team doesnt get manhandled by the top players at his position the way Tony does either. When hes rolling the best player on the team goes toe to toe with guys like Kobe and MJ.
Tony is hands down the best player on the team right now and he should be. Both Tim and Manu have had some degree of decline in their games. Manu specifically has relied more on his steaky shooting, and become more of a playmaker. It's a natural occurence as you age.
The alarming part would be if Tony isn't the best player at this stage.
Credit to the guy that defended Tony, I guess...
^Was either some Kirby Kittles guy or Lucious Malfoy IIRC, both all-world defenders right up there with Michael Conley Jr
Credit to you for admitting you don't remember, I guess...
To close that series? That was Game 1.
In Game 3, in the only road win either team had that series, Parker had 41 and 12. I would think that would count for something, tbh.
Or in Game 5, that actually closed the series, Parker had 31 and 8 while Ginobili had 8 and 0.
There are some close series between the two but that isn't one.
Somewhat fixed.
Kidd defended Tony, IIRC... Credit to him for forcing Pop to roll wit Speedy in a crucial comeback...
Stick to Manu memories.
Look at what this thread has become.
LJ wins troll of the year so far.
That's true about Duncan.
But if you talking about Ginobili, his worst series came against the likes of Sasha Vujacic, Michael Finley, whoever the 2004 Grizzlies had and Steve Blake.
Just look at the series numbers. Neither Parker nor Ginobili could claim to be dependable on the level of Duncan.
'03 season, shots per game:
Tony- 12.7
Manu- 5.8
Yeah, they were in similar situations.
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