Is Tony Parker too CoM?

[timvp]

Tony is hands down the best player on the team right now and he should be.

Eh don't really agree. If all three are healthy, Parker isn't clearly the best. If Parker keeps up this level of play, Manu plays like he did last year and Duncan keeps playing like he has in the last month or so, I'd say they are all interchangeable.

[ElNono]

To close that series? That was Game 1.

tbh, I remember watching that game in a hotel room in San Antonio. That was the series with Shaq on the Suns, right?

In Game 3, in the only road win either team had that series, Parker had 41 and 12. I would think that would count for something, tbh.

Or in Game 5, that actually closed the series, Parker had 31 and 8 while Ginobili had 8 and 0.

tbh, nobody remembers that.

There are some close series between the two but that isn't one.

Close as in numbers?

Somewhat fixed.

Thanks

[ChumpDumper]

tbh, nobody remembers that.

[timvp]

The best player on the team is just being politically correct obviously, despite what he says everyone knows this is his team. Its been his team for the past two season and was at the beginning of this season before the injury. As far as the 13-13 tie, the best player on the team hadnt even completely established himself in 03' and 04' meanwhile Parker was a starter getting big minutes a couple of games into his rookie season. Everybody knows the best player on the team is much more of a playoff warrior than Parker though, clog the paint and Parker becomes very average. The best player on the team has much more in his offensive arsenal and he goes harder at the defensive end.

Good shtick, tbh.

[ElNono]

Stick to Manu memories.

Kidd didn't defend Tony in that series?

[ChumpDumper]

Kidd didn't defend Tony in that series?

tbh, nobody remembers that.

[ElNono]

Right. People do remember Speedy Claxton making plays in game 6...

[timvp]

Kidd didn't defend Tony in that series?

Come on, ElNono. 2003 wasn't that long ago.

If we are only going by the part of the series that Kidd defended Tony, not only was Parker better than Ginobili, he was better than Kidd.

[ChumpDumper]

No , El Nono. Do you only remember Parker in contexts that make Manu look better?

[timvp]

'03 season, shots per game:

Tony- 12.7
Manu- 5.8

Yeah, they were in similar situations.

Minutes per game in the 2003 playoffs:

Tony- 33.9
Manu- 27.5

That's pretty close to the standard split in minutes between the two.

[FkLA]

That's true about Duncan.

But if you talking about Ginobili, his worst series came against the likes of Sasha Vujacic, Michael Finley, whoever the 2004 Grizzlies had and Steve Blake.

Just look at the series numbers. Neither Parker nor Ginobili could claim to be dependable on the level of Duncan.

Prime Duncan is in a league of his own, no question. But as far as getting the silver medal it clearly goes to the current best player on the team especially if we look at the period after father time caught up with Duncan...in the past 3 years the only playoff series win the Spurs have was led by the best player on the team and Parker coming off the bench. The year before when it was clearly Parkers team the Spurs got destroyed by those same ringless gots in Dallas.

[ElNono]

Eh don't really agree. If all three are healthy, Parker isn't clearly the best. If Parker keeps up this level of play, Manu plays like he did last year and Duncan keeps playing like he has in the last month or so, I'd say they are all interchangeable.

I think Tony is one of the few that can still affect the game more. Tim and Manu can have their peaks, but Tony I think it's the only one that's young and good enough to provide the steady barrage. Obviously, his jumper falling is key to that.

[timvp]

In Game 3, in the only road win either team had that series, Parker had 41 and 12. I would think that would count for something, tbh.

Or in Game 5, that actually closed the series, Parker had 31 and 8 while Ginobili had 8 and 0.

tbh, nobody remembers that.

Well, while that may be true, that's why I posted it. For whatever reasons (probably because Manu is the most loved player in franchise history) Manu's highlights are magnified by history, while his lowlights are forgotten. For Parker, it's the opposite.

[DPG21920]

So what's the point here, boiled down sans the subtle goods?

[DAF86]

Minutes per game in the 2003 playoffs:

Tony- 33.9
Manu- 27.5

That's pretty close to the standard split in minutes between the two.

Yeah, but how were those minutes played by each guy? It's not the same to play 30 minutes just standing there and waiting to take wide open jumpers than playing 30 minutes while getting plays called for you.

[ChumpDumper]

So what's the point here, boiled down sans the subtle goods?

Tony loves Manu.

Everyone hates Tony.

[ElNono]

Come on, ElNono. 2003 wasn't that long ago.

If we are only going by the part of the series that Kidd defended Tony, not only was Parker better than Ginobili, he was better than Kidd.

No , El Nono. Do you only remember Parker in contexts that make Manu look better?

I just remember Manu with a deer in the headlights look making stuff happen. I also remember the early criticism on Tony for disappearing in big games back then. , I don't even know if the search function goes that far back, but IIRC, even LJ was on that train at some very distant point in time.

Frankly, I only commented on two series that LJ listed. Tony has been pretty awesome in a lot of series too, especially when the matchup has been favorable to him (well deserved Finals MVP against the Cavs come to mind).

tbh, I promise to dust off my championship DVD collection when I get home and take a second look.

[ElNono]

Well, while that may be true, that's why I posted it. For whatever reasons (probably because Manu is the most loved player in franchise history) Manu's highlights are magnified by history, while his lowlights are forgotten. For Parker, it's the opposite.

See, we agree. But I'm the CoM's ducks...

[timvp]

I think Tony is one of the few that can still affect the game more. Tim and Manu can have their peaks, but Tony I think it's the only one that's young and good enough to provide the steady barrage. Obviously, his jumper falling is key to that.

Per-minute, I haven't seen any indication yet that Parker is better than Ginobili. We'll see after Ginobili return but on a per-minute basis, Ginobili has been better than Parker since the beginning of the 2009-10 season at least. Their overall impact has been close to equal mostly because Parker can play more minutes and has been healthier over his career.

But don't shortchange Ginobili, ElNono

[ChumpDumper]

I just remember Manu with a deer in the headlights look making stuff happen. I also remember the early criticism on Tony for disappearing in big games back then. , I don't even know if the search function goes that far back, but IIRC, even LJ was on that train at some very distant point in time.

Frankly, I only commented on two series that LJ listed. Tony has been pretty awesome in a lot of series too, especially when the matchup has been favorable to him (well deserved Finals MVP against the Cavs come to mind).

tbh, I promise to dust off my championship DVD collection when I get home and take a second look.

It's not like it's obscure trivia. It's the basis for the whole legend of Speedy Claxton.

spurfan disappoints

again

[DPG21920]

Tony loves Manu.

Everyone hates Tony.

I love TP.

[ChumpDumper]

I love TP.

Everyone hates you.

[FkLA]

Tony loves Manu.

Everyone hates Tony.

The best player on the team is a much better human being and plays the game much more unselfishly than Tony. Whats wrong with liking him more than Tony ?

[ChumpDumper]

The best player on the team is a much better human being and plays the game much more unselfishly than Tony. Whats wrong with liking him more than Tony ?

spurfan must hate

[ChumpDumper]

lol much better human being