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So you disagree Speedy Claxton had a great game 6?
Okay
I'm not shortchanging him, and I know that when we need that ballsy play we'll get it from him. I just don't think he can still drive relentlessly for 20mpg... You'll see more shooting and you'll see more passing. He can still contribute a lot.Per-minute, I haven't seen any indication yet that Parker is better than Ginobili. We'll see after Ginobili return but on a per-minute basis, Ginobili has been better than Parker since the beginning of the 2009-10 season at least. Their overall impact has been close to equal mostly because Parker can play more minutes and has been healthier over his career.
But don't shortchange Ginobili, ElNono
But from a steady aspect, I think Tony is the guy with both the speed and the stamina to dominate more on a pure scoring aspect.
So you disagree Speedy Claxton had a great game 6?
Okay
I thought you above making straw man arguments.
I was wrong.
spurfan disillusions
Manu is in the top three of the greatest human beings of all time alongside Gandhi and George Clooney, everybody knows that. The only thing preventing him from beign the clear cut number one are his poor tipping habits.
spurfan needs its medications was a better retort tbh
I'm glad you got that cleared up
Speaking of ducks, anyone else have a burning desire to uncover ducks' true iden y?See, we agree. But I'm the CoM's ducks...
I know you're huge Ginobili fan ElNono, but 'ElNono' is also pretty much your main account
ducks is actually trolling (rather effectively I might add) pretty much non-stop. It's a bona fide troll account.
Wouldn't it be cool to have a "gentleman's rule" to relinquish anonymity of all troll accounts 3, 5, 10 years down the road? We could all look back and go "Oh, so that's who <insert troll account> was."
Tbh, I was thrilled with Parker's play against the Nets at the time. A 20-year-old point guard going up against a top five point guard of all-time who has having the best season of his career looked like a curbstomping in the making. But Parker actually outplaying Kidd in the series while the two went head-to-head was astonishing.
To have expected Parker to outplay Kidd and then be able to have success when the Nets put a taller defender on him while trapping him on pick-and-rolls would have been ludicrous. But somehow that's what history expects out of Parker. I've never understood that or the legend of Speedy Claxton.
I did criticize Parker for not finishing well but that was years later, tbh.
Manu is my favorite player for reasons I stated before, but I was a Spurs fan before Manu and will be after Manu retires.Speaking of ducks, anyone else have a burning desire to uncover ducks' true iden y?
I know you're huge Ginobili fan ElNono, but 'ElNono' is also pretty much your main account
ducks is actually trolling (rather effectively I might add) pretty much non-stop. It's a bona fide troll account.
Wouldn't it be cool to have a "gentleman's rule" to relinquish anonymity of all troll accounts 3, 5, 10 years down the road? We could all look back and go "Oh, so that's who <insert troll account> was."
I have Duncan jerseys, posters, etc. I even have TP and Bonner autographs.
The whole Parker hater schtick is just that.
Never read too much into public statements from players.
Most interviews with players are mostly a waste of time. They just say typical answers which amount to nothing.
Manu and Tony both have to play extremely well, along with Timmy, for the Spurs to have any hopes of a ring this year, so there really isn't any use of arguing over this..
All 3 are equally important to this Spurs team, whether it be Tony's scoring and penetration, Manu's energy and playmaking, or Tim's leadership and defense. If you take out any of those 3, the Spurs probably wouldn't even make it out of the first round, and its been that way for years.
So TP should be expected to compete with guys like Rose then. Especially when TP is in his prime and considered a top 5 pg tbh...
What is a troll account?
tbh, I do have a pile of DVDs to re-watch, but I want to do it when the run is over. I actually hate I don't have more 1st, 2nd and WC finals games recorded.
You tell me 2003 was not that long ago, but it feels like ages to me. I must be getting old.
ducks is legit. He's a real person and has been posting for as long as I can remember.
Tony should try the long hair, tbh... Makes great memories
Wai..I..wh...*head explodes*
Tony has never gotten the respect from Spurs fans that Manu gets and it's pretty ing re ed. That's just because Manu is hispanic and Tony is french though.
Yeah, I've noticed this too. He really needs to cut it out, because, as you alluded to, Ginobili's health is a major question mark. He could easily be hurt or injured to the point of not playing during the playoffs and then what? Parker's painted himself into a corner, because he's repeatedly claimed they have no chance at doing anything without Ginobili. So if Ginobili doesn't play during the playoffs, what's he going to tell the media? Surely, he'll pretend as if they still have a chance, but obviously he'll come off as disingenuous. He should be convincing the rest of the team that they can win without Ginobili, as they've shown in going 18-9 without him this season. Instead, he's done the opposite. Not a smart move when you're spearheading a team that doesn't have infinite confidence to begin with.
And as great as Ginobili is, the truth is he's also the most dispensable of the big three. Part of it is the depth on the wings that they currently have and the other part is the fact that he plays the least important position of the three. People have called him the "X-factor" for years and he is, but that's because he's the most injury prone and inconsistent of them. In other words, you had a much better idea of what you'd get out of the other two, but without that third star, they oftentimes seemed vulnerable. So when he was healthy and playing at or close to his peak, they inevitably went up a level and he got all the credit for that. But if either of the other two were as in and out and up and down, the same thing would happen.
spurfan can take either one tbh
Really?
L.J. you want to talk about revisionist history in 2003 and how people dismiss Parker, it simply boggles my mind how Parker gets all the plaudits in 2007 and Ginobili's accomplishments in those playoffs have been forgotten.
The averages are so misleading because Ginobili had one really poor game in three of the series, either very early on (Phoenix), or when it was already decided (Denver, Cleveland).
Yet not only did Manu save his best games for when the team absolutely needed them (road wins @Denver in Games 3 and 4, road win @Phoenix game 5 and home vs. Phoenix game 6, road win @Utah game 4), but his +/- and PER (21.9 to 18.7) in those playoffs was considerably higher than Parker's, and PER doesn't even count defense, where obviously Ginobili contributed much more than Parker.
Even in the finals Ginobili played just as well as Parker in Games 1,2, and 4 and did so without the benefit of having Boobie Gibson "guarding" him.
You say that year is 4-1 Parker, with both guys tying in Utah. I think that's far too generous. Really, it's kind to say 4-4. If you actually watched the games and took everything into consideration, it's a joke to say Parker outplayed Ginobili that postseason.
Really, I laugh when people act like 2007 was Tony's best playoffs. He was a lot better in 2008 and 2009. People just don't remember because those years didn't end in les.
Tony is far more consistent than Ginobili, but you'd have to be crazy to not acknowledge that Ginobili is the key to our success as a team, post Duncan-prime. He is our X-factor, and the game-changer.
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