Reply With QuoteHe gives you what you want - an eternity separate from him. Isn't that fair? Would it be more fair to make you spend an eternity with him even though you didn't want him?
He might turn YOU into Chumpdumper?
He gives you what you want - an eternity separate from him. Isn't that fair? Would it be more fair to make you spend an eternity with him even though you didn't want him?
tmtcsc doing the Lord's work, turning the other cheek while dropping an f-bomb.
Per Christian faith tenets, fear is not a requirement for salvation.
So free will is gone when you get to heaven.
If not, why didn't God just skip the earth step and just create everyone to be in heaven?
I think "we're being tested" is the cop out for that one.
why create man at all? God created man to have a relationship with him - that opportunity would be greatly de-valued if it were a "perfect" world.
I didn't say that free will is gone when you get to heaven.
I'm not familiar with the faith tenets that you're referring to - please elaborate.
So you are saying Eden and/or heaven is less valuable than earth?
That's a new one.
Are you really not familiar with John 3:16?
Srsly?
Not sure how you came to that conclusion from what I said - please explain.
Eden was a perfect set up.
Heaven is a perfect place.
Do you really not know these things?
Part of believing in God is to fear him - it's pretty common throughout the Bible:
Psalm 33:8
Rev. 14:7
Rev. 15:4
2 Kings 17:28
1 Samuel 12:14
Jeremiah 5:24
Joshua 24:14
Without reading your mind and just basing my guess from your posts, I'd guess that your definition of fear is different than what's in the Bible. Fear of the Lord in the Bible is more out of respect and gra ude than being afraid of someone pointing a gun at you.
Humor me Blake - I'm still not following how you came to the conclusion that Eden and Heaven are less valuable than Earth from my statement.
You said the relationship would be de-valued in a perfect world.
Eden was a perfect world.
Again, is this something you really did not know?
I think those kingdoms were afraid of Israel's "gun".2 Chronicles 20:29
The fear of God came upon all the kingdoms of the countries when they heard how the Lord had fought against the enemies of Israel.
Eden was not a perfect world - Satan was allowed to temp Eve.
Satan will not be in Heaven.
I see what you're saying - a word can only mean one thing and has nothing to do with the context of the chapter or the subject. I disagree.
Is the belief that the earth is flat a stupid one? Is the belief that the moon is made of cheese a stupid one?
What can God get from a a relationship with man? Was he lonely?
To the first: Oh geez... completely invalid question/argument... try again.
Good question.. who knows? Maybe He saw the world He created needed some people to enjoy His creation.
If there's something in the Bible that gives a clear reason of why God created man, I'm not familiar with it. But, I can say that if I had to make a guess from the the Bible as a whole - he created man to love him and it would seem that God knew the overall value of the relationship would be greater than not creating man at all.
No, it isn't. He said that calling somebody stupid for believing a certain way is bigoted, so I respond with asking him if beliefs in a flat earth and a cheese moon are stupid. It has everything to do with his statement.
I thought God was perfect. Why would he need to create man? Why would he need to love something? Isn't God infinitely great?
who said he "needed" to create man - it's not possible for him to want to create man?
Okay, so God is completely irrational and his actions make no logical sense.
No it's a bad question, cause in todays world we all know better and also because they are not spiritual beliefs in the first place.
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