What is Tim Duncan's religion?

[underdawg]

[QUOTE=redzero;5681778]No, it isn't. He said that calling somebody stupid for believing a certain way is bigoted, so I respond with asking him if beliefs in a flat earth and a cheese moon are stupid. It has everything to do with his statement.
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You called him/her stupid for his/her beliefs and not because of different question - own your bigotism and don't try to change the subject.

[underdawg]

Okay, so God is completely irrational and his actions make no logical sense.

that's your opinion and you're welcome to it. I politely disagree.

[redzero]

No it's a bad question, cause in todays world we all know better and also because they are not spiritual beliefs in the first place.

What does it matter that they aren't spiritual beliefs? Spiritual beliefs get a pass now?

You called him/her stupid for his/her beliefs and not because of different question - own your bigotism and don't try to change the subject.

What?

that's your opinion and you're welcome to it. I politely disagree.

Oh really? Then why did God create man?

[all_heart]

Okay, so God is completely irrational and his actions make no logical sense.

So you truly believe that? Because you don't know how or why, or you don't understand something, you call it irrational? That's called arrogance.

[underdawg]

Oh really? Then why did God create man?

I answered this before - taking the Bible as a whole, I would say God created man to have a relationship with him and to love him.

[ElNono]

So you truly believe that? Because you don't know how or why, or you don't understand something, you call it irrational? That's called arrogance.

But you automatically attribute what you don't know or understand to god, for no apparent reason. There's no rationality on that. There's nothing arrogant in calling that irrational. He's just saying he doesn't know or understand (yet). What's arrogant about that?

[redzero]

So you truly believe that? Because you don't know how or why, or you don't understand something, you call it irrational? That's called arrogance.

Is belief that the earth is flat irrational?

I answered this before - taking the Bible as a whole, I would say God created man to have a relationship with him and to love him.

So a perfect being--something that already has everything that it could possibly want--created man because he wanted somebody to love?

As I stated before, it makes zero sense.

[all_heart]

What does it matter that they aren't spiritual beliefs? Spiritual beliefs get a pass now?

Do you not see the fallacies of your question? You can't compare physical beliefs with spiritual ones. You are comparing apples to oranges. It's like trying to compare the fact I believe in God and if I were to tell you this monitor in front of me is going to grow legs and walk away.

[all_heart]

But you automatically attribute what you don't know or understand to god, for no apparent reason. There's no rationality on that. There's nothing arrogant in calling that irrational. He's just saying he doesn't know or understand (yet). What's arrogant about that?

No not exactly, he's asking questions about why God does something and I'm replying I don't know only God knows the answer to that. He's calling God who is obviously a much higher being (in my beliefs) irrational and illogical because he can't understand him. It's like calling highly complex math problems illogical and irrational because you don't understand how to solve them and can't peek at the answer key. Is this clearer?

[redzero]

Do you not see the fallacies of your question? You can't compare physical beliefs with spiritual ones. You are comparing apples to oranges. It's like trying to compare the fact I believe in God and if I were to tell you this monitor in front of me is going to grow legs and walk away.

So if I spiritually believe that an invisible pink unicorn created a flat earth, would I get a pass?

[clambake]

math problems can be solved.

[ElNono]

No not exactly, he's asking questions about why God does something and I'm replying I don't know only God knows the answer to that. He's calling God who is obviously a much higher being (in my beliefs) irrational and illogical because he can't understand him. It's like calling highly complex math problems illogical and irrational because you don't understand how to solve them and can't peek at the answer key. Is this clearer?

He isn't asking you why god does things. He's asking you why do you believe god does the things you say he does.

Highly complex mathematical problems exist. It's a testable and undisputable fact. God? Not so much...

[Blake]

I see what you're saying - a word can only mean one thing and has nothing to do with the context of the chapter or the subject. I disagree.

I think fear means what fear literally means.

If it makes you feel better about the Bible to change meanings of words to avoid problems, then by all means, do what you feel you must. You aren't the first and won't be the last to do that.

[all_heart]

So if I spiritually believe that an invisible pink unicorn created a flat earth, would I get a pass?

Earth ain't flat...

[all_heart]

math problems can be solved.

Of course they can, so what's your point?

[underdawg]

I think fear means what fear literally means.

If it makes you feel better about the Bible to change meanings of words to avoid problems, then by all means, do what you feel you must. You aren't the first and won't be the last to do that.

Sorry you feel that way - I would guess that most scholars on literature would agree that you can have more than one meaning for a word.

I get that you're trying to argue for the sake of arguing, but if you really do think that I'm changing the meanings of the Bible to to avoid problems then you are incorrect. There's no changes needed - I understand the context.

If you read the Bible as a whole and your take is that God wants mankind to fear him like a person does when they have a gun pointed at their head, I can't help you as you have ignored the context as it relates to the Bible as a whole.

[redzero]

Earth ain't flat...

How do you know? Maybe the invisible pink unicorn just tricks everybody into thinking that it is round.

[underdawg]

He isn't asking you why god does things. He's asking you why do you believe god does the things you say he does.

Highly complex mathematical problems exist. It's a testable and undisputable fact. God? Not so much...

is chance mathmatical?

[all_heart]

He isn't asking you why god does things. He's asking you why do you believe god does the things you say he does.

Highly complex mathematical problems exist. It's a testable and undisputable fact. God? Not so much...

Is he? If so I think it's pretty obvious that I don't know why God does the things he does. I don't have to know and it doesn't change my Faith or beliefs.

Of course complex math problems exist, man created them and the formulas to solve them. I'm not comparing God to a math problem. I was comparing the inability to fully understand God to the inability to understand hard math problems. Just because you can't figure out something, you don't tear it up and call it irrational. Not knowing something doesn't make you any less of a person Do you not see that?

[all_heart]

How do you know? Maybe the invisible pink unicorn just tricks everybody into thinking that it is round.

That's pretty lame and it's to be expected from you by now.

[redzero]

Is he? If so I think it's pretty obvious that I don't know why God does the things he does. I don't have to know and it doesn't change my Faith or beliefs.

Then how do you know that God isn't rational?

I was comparing the inability to fully understand God to the inability to understand hard math problems. Just because you can't figure out something, you don't tear it up and call it irrational. Not knowing something doesn't make you any less of a person Do you not see that?

Except there is reasoning and logic behind math.

[redzero]

That's pretty lame and it's to be expected from you by now.

How dare you attack someone's religious beliefs?!

[all_heart]

Then how do you know that God isn't rational?

Except there is reasoning and logic behind math.

Because his Word is rational. Just because I don't understand one aspect I don't throw the whole thing out the window.

[all_heart]

How dare you attack someone's religious beliefs?!

That's kinda funny.. but just in case.. whose religious belief is this? Yours?

[Blake]

Sorry you feel that way - I would guess that most scholars on literature would agree that you can have more than one meaning for a word.

I get that you're trying to argue for the sake of arguing, but if you really do think that I'm changing the meanings of the Bible to to avoid problems then you are incorrect. There's no changes needed - I understand the context.

If you read the Bible as a whole and your take is that God wants mankind to fear him like a person does when they have a gun pointed at their head, I can't help you as you have ignored the context as it relates to the Bible as a whole.

I understand that there are three [four?] different words in the original text that King James used the word fear for.

Rather unfortunate for the uneducated that you almost have to be a scholar to figure that out. God apparently favors the educated.