Okay, come on now, don't be an idiot. How many superstars did dallas have besides dirk. You need depth to win a post season series, because you can't rely on the same people to step up every time. You guys are too drunk to remember that Manu of all people has had some terrible games in our championship runs.
I think a few people nailed it. The Spurs have been good for so long, unless they are literally at the top it's not good enough for anyone here. Hence no one even shows up to Spurs home games anymore. A little ironic, because now it is clear our big 3 are winding down, I have learned to really appreciate every game we have left together even more. Nothing lasts forever. In a few years there will be no more Timmy and Manu. Or even Pop for that matter.......
Dirk is a lot better than anyone currently on the Spurs. Hate to say it, but the Spurs have no one who is a top-10 player in the league any more, much less top 5 like Nowitzki was last season.
This is true, but teams win championships, not players. In 2007, we didn't have any top 5 players either. Also, the celtics didn't have any of these in 2008. Neither did the pistons in 2004.
Also, I think Tony is playing like a top 10-15 player this season at the very least.
Duncan was definitely a top 5 player in 07. In 08 the Celtics had 3 top-15 players. This Spurs team has one player you could make an argument (and not an air-tight one) for being top 15. The Pistons were a genuine exception, but I don't even see where to begin comparing this Spurs team to a true all-time defensive juggernaut like them.
Maybe I don't remember correctly, but I think Timmy had some awful games in the post season, and the rest of the team had to carry him. Again, right now, you are confusing correlation with causation. Good teams win championships, but good teams often have good stars too. There are also many teams that had top 5 players in their prime(aka the phoenix suns) who never made it to the finals.
I am not saying that the spurs will win this year, just don't write them off that easily.
I'm not confusing things; stars win les. Your bench becomes less important because there are no back to backs and because travel is lighter. In the playoffs other teams are less concerned with rest and play their top players more minutes, so you can't get away with playing lesser players the kind of minutes you can in the regular season. Yeah, a star can't win a le with a garbage cast (see LeBron's Cavs teams); having at least one superstar level player is usually a necessary but not sufficient condition to being a le contender. All the Detlef Schrempfs, Brian Grants, and Steve Smiths of the world don't trump a Shaq.
To make up for not having a top 5 player you need to be at the top of the league defensively.
Did you seriously think the Suns were going to sweep the Spurs? That was a relatively inexperienced Suns team with the exception of Nash/Stoudemire. That was Grant Hill's first time out of the first round I think. Those guys were basically playoff newbies.
Nope, I didn't expect the sweep at all. I wasn't too high on the Spurs chances though.
Actually, they kicked the holy out of Denver the next game, but don't let a little thing like the facts stand in your way.
Duncan was not only still a top five player in '07, I'd argue that he was still the best player in the league. He dominated the playoffs. He didn't score as consistently big as he had in past playoffs, but because of the continued emergence of Ginobili and Parker, he didn't need to. For the most part, the games they needed him to score big though, he did. But he's not an insecure, arrogant prick who constantly feels the need to prove to people how great he is, to the point of damn near costing his team a championship.
In '08 and '09, there's no question Duncan had began to decline and James had taken over as the best player in the league. But looking back, much like now, Duncan was better than he was given credit for. He was still a top five player in '08 and a top ten player in '09. Unfortunately, unlike lesser all-time greats, he wasn't viewed that way.
The jury is still out on whether "Dirk is a lot better than anyone currently on the Spurs". Though he's turned it on lately, I'm not sold he can carry the offense every game anymore. And the second he can't do that, he's where he's been this season, which is in the same class as the Spurs big three. Because it's not like he has some other dominant skill to fall back on.
I guess some of this makes sense. Whatever, I just want to read something about my team without too much negativity. I am sure a lot of people agree too.
This season, I am not sure dirk is as good as any of the big three. Last year, he had a crazy playoff run, but he also needed good role players to support him at times. Agree with what you are saying though.
You should just read Spurs.com articles then, they will be sure to sugar coat anything remotely negative for you...
And Denver for that game was missing its starting PG, PF, C, & backup SG plus they were on the last game of a nasty double back 2 back with 1 day of rest in between. Against all solid playoff teams.
But don't let little things like facts jumble up the great high you're obviously experiencing.
According to some here, Dirk's still in his prime.
I think some of the perceived negativity is because, in general, Spurs fans aren't of the fair-weather variety. It's easy to stay positive all the time, and not critical, when all you do is jump on whatever media hyped bandwagon is coming down the path next.
That, or it sets up the "win-win" of e- ation. If they lose, we "already knew it" and get to have the implied "told ya so", and if they win...they won, so we can be happy. Win-win.
In a nuts , here's typical spurstalk.com interaction. Refer to the 7:35 mark up to about the 8:10 mark. Way too many people on here act like the bald fellaas soon as someone disagrees with them, and that ain't good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYVdeM7AQTw
Great movie, by the way.
werd. They do got some good points on here though on whats wrong with the team. The only problem is that they seem to keep focus on those issues and forget to enjoy game. Gets to the point to where all you read about in these threads our the problems. As for me im just enjoying the game for what it supposed to be. Entertainment.
Disecting it to much just takes the fun out of it. I still think we can win with this team and am enjoying the ride cause we're kicking ass for the most part.
bbum with the goods
And yes, Duncan was still great in 2007. Best player in the league? Yeah, I'd say so. The 2007 Playoff Duncan was better than the 2005 Playoff Duncan. In order, I'd say it goes:
2003 Playoff Duncan
2007 Playoff Duncan
1999 Playoff Duncan
2005 Playoff Duncan
The 2005 version wasn't bad, he just had two sprained ankles. Hmmm ... I might switch 1999 and 2005 in that order just because 2005 Playoff Duncan was such a better passer and defender. Though when it comes to straight up scoring talent, the only one that challenge 1999 Playoff Duncan is the 2003 version.
We pretty much need 20 and 12 from Duncan to have a chance in the playoffs. That's why it's disheartening that the Spurs have been moving away from low post offense and defense when we need more. If TD can only get 12 and 10 like against the Grizzlies we at least need another big to get 12 and 10. Splitter is the next guy capable of that and playing defense.bbum with the goods
And yes, Duncan was still great in 2007. Best player in the league? Yeah, I'd say so. The 2007 Playoff Duncan was better than the 2005 Playoff Duncan. In order, I'd say it goes:
2003 Playoff Duncan
2007 Playoff Duncan
1999 Playoff Duncan
2005 Playoff Duncan
The 2005 version wasn't bad, he just had two sprained ankles. Hmmm ... I might switch 1999 and 2005 in that order just because 2005 Playoff Duncan was such a better passer and defender. Though when it comes to straight up scoring talent, the only one that challenge 1999 Playoff Duncan is the 2003 version.
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Not anymore, once we get RG3!
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