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    The fact that you had to state you never played the game lets me know you have played the game.

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    The fact that you had to state you never played the game lets me know you have played the game.
    The fact you tried to use it as smack tells me you are playing it now.

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    I seriously doubt that this woman can't afford birth control pills. If she wants to be stingy with her money, why doesn't she make her man pay for it?

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    You're an idiot for thinking someone else should pay for your medical care.
    I guarantee if you increase his base-pay to accommodate the monthly premium, he'd much rather have the flexibility of not having to see an on-post non-specialist for every issue and then waiting for clearance to see someone who may actually help him.

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    Insurance companies cover the cost of Viagra. Why the shouldn't they pay for the cost of birth control pills?
    Insurance companies aren't mandated to provide Viagra. That bolded word makes all the difference in the world as it relates to this argument.

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    Insurance companies aren't mandated to provide Viagra. That bolded word makes all the difference in the world as it relates to this argument.
    So they cover Viagra voluntarily? So why is that any different than providing contraception coverage? Or std coverage? or any other kind of coverage? If you can take care of a problem for the guys, why can't you take care of a problem for the gals? I'm just sayin'

    Seems to me that if they voluntarily take care of a guy's inability to keep it up, they could take care of why happens when they are successful in helping him keep it up long enough to impregnate a woman unless she's taking the pill.

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    So they cover Viagra voluntarily? So why is that any different than providing contraception coverage? Or std coverage?
    One runs counter to the fundamental religious beliefs of an organization. I'm sure there are plenty of health care providers and employers that offer coverage of both Viagra and BC pills, but it should be their own choosing to do so...not a mandate from the federal government.

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    One runs counter to the fundamental religious beliefs of an organization. I'm sure there are plenty of health care providers and employers that offer coverage of both Viagra and BC pills, but it should be their own choosing to do so...not a mandate from the federal government.
    Agreed.

    With my employer, I have a choice of three insurance providers, and some provide different coverage levels. If insurance companies are told what to provide, what happens to compe ion? What happens to my choice?

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    If it truly is a moral issue, then they should not cover Viagra for single males.

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    If it truly is a moral issue, then they should not cover Viagra for single males.
    I think insurance companies should cover what they think they have a market for. I think we should not dictate to insurance companies what to provide. I think the market will ask insurance for what it is willing to pay for.

    Should we have a free market, or a communist dictated market?

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    Why not just go to Planned Parenthood and to them? Since Planned Parenthood is a champion of women's right, it should be willingly to help women that don't want to foot the bill when it comes to birth control pills and abortions.

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    Why not just go to Planned Parenthood and to them? Since Planned Parenthood is a champion of women's right, it should be willingly to help women that don't want to foot the bill when it comes to birth control pills and abortions.
    Why not to your insurer?

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    One runs counter to the fundamental religious beliefs of an organization. I'm sure there are plenty of health care providers and employers that offer coverage of both Viagra and BC pills, but it should be their own choosing to do so...not a mandate from the federal government.
    Granting religious organizations LLC status runs contrary to the notion of the separation of church and state..

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    Dumper, why don't you pay for the birth control pills since you are heart broken over the issue?

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    Dumper, why don't you pay for the birth control pills since you are heart broken over the issue?
    If I was on the insurance plan, it wouldn't be a problem tbh.

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    One runs counter to the fundamental religious beliefs of an organization. I'm sure there are plenty of health care providers and employers that offer coverage of both Viagra and BC pills, but it should be their own choosing to do so...not a mandate from the federal government.
    Does it strike you as fair to cover boner pills but not birth control? Serious question...

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    Does it strike you as fair to cover boner pills but not birth control? Serious question...
    Fair or not, it isn't mandated. It is a voluntary choice. Is it fair to mandate this by insurance companies?

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    Granting religious organizations LLC status runs contrary to the notion of the separation of church and state..
    Corporations are still private ins utions are they not?

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    Does it strike you as fair to cover boner pills but not birth control? Serious question...
    No, but it should still be their choice.

    I'm just wondering when the availability of contraceptives became so limited and the cost so prohibitive. I'm not anti-women or anti-sex, but we have a strong history of upholding the cons utional right for religious freedoms. I don't see why that has to change now...especially when those resources are so readily available and relatively cheap.

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    Corporations are still private ins utions are they not?
    LLC's are not wholly private no.

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    "cons utional right for religious freedoms"

    this fabricated controversy is not about religious freedom.

    Employees pay for and OWN the insurance policy, which is between the insurer and the employee.

    The contractual benefits cannot be annulled by the employer who is not party to the contract.

    This fabricated controversy is more right-wing bull to slander Hussein, and govt, as anti-religion, and as anti-Cons utional.

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    No, but it should still be their choice.

    I'm just wondering when the availability of contraceptives became so limited and the cost so prohibitive. I'm not anti-women or anti-sex, but we have a strong history of upholding the cons utional right for religious freedoms. I don't see why that has to change now...especially when those resources are so readily available and relatively cheap.
    What do religious freedoms have to do with contraception?

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    What do religious freedoms have to do with contraception?
    Catholic preach that sex is only for procreation as ordained by God therefor contraceptives are against the will of God. Big families mean more peeps at church you know.

    The issue i have is such companies getting legal protections through the fed and the LLC tag and then expecting to not have to abide by the same rules as everyone else.

    I have a solution: make your LLC not be religious and the problem goes away. This si about controlling behavior in the marketplace for consumers and nothing to do with what churches can preach or whatever stupid want to believe.

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    The issue i have is such companies getting legal protections through the fed and the LLC tag and then expecting to not have to abide by the same rules as everyone else.

    I have a solution: make your LLC not be religious and the problem goes away. This si about controlling behavior in the marketplace for consumers and nothing to do with what churches can preach or whatever stupid want to believe.
    Not a realistic solution. Those religious organizations incorporate (pun intended) the values and beliefs in the schools and hospitals they run. Asking them to eschew those religious values because they want to incorporate, literally, just doesn't seem plausible.

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    "cons utional right for religious freedoms"

    this fabricated controversy is not about religious freedom.

    Employees pay for and OWN the insurance policy, which is between the insurer and the employee.

    The contractual benefits cannot be annulled by the employer who is not party to the contract.

    This fabricated controversy is more right-wing bull to slander Hussein, and govt, as anti-religion, and as anti-Cons utional.
    Except that the employer sponsors the insurance so the individual can enjoy increased coverage with relatively low premiums. Only an individual health care plan is truly between the individual and the provider.

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