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    The fight's been going on longer than that, but otherwise I agree with your post. The municipality usually wins these fights.

    Even with the win, Austin still has some pretty serious water issues coming. The population just continues to grow and grow and grow, yet the water supply doesn't. Everyone's water bill is going to go up. I'm giving serious thought to zeroscaping my back yard. I'd do the front too if not for HOA restrictions.
    Water is something the state and federal governments need to address more than other things in their political basketball game.

    Instead of investing in green technology which we don't need government influence on, how about starting an infrastructure of desalination plants. Water is a national resource that we will continue to run short of, that will do this nation harm if we don't plan ahead. That is, unless we start making policies to make this nation a zero growth rate nation.

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    Water is something the state and federal governments need to address more than other things in their political basketball game.

    Instead of investing in green technology which we don't need government influence on, how about starting an infrastructure of desalination plants. Water is a national resource that we will continue to run short of, that will do this nation harm if we don't plan ahead. That is, unless we start making policies to make this nation a zero growth rate nation.
    Oh, don't worry about water. When it is necessary private investment will provide it for us.

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    Oh, don't worry about water. When it is necessary private investment will provide it for us.
    Water is something necessary for everyone. Not just some. Investing in water infrastructure would clearly fall under "promote the general welfare." with an ever increasing population and relatively fixed water supply that is variable also.... wouldn't it be prudent to think of the future?

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    Water is something necessary for everyone. Not just some. Investing in water infrastructure would clearly fall under "promote the general welfare." with an ever increasing population and relatively fixed water supply that is variable also.... wouldn't it be prudent to think of the future?
    what good is water infrastructure without energy to power it. Sooooooo..... Energy is necessary for everyone, not just some. Investing in energy infrastructure would clearly fall under "promote the general welfare." Wouldn't it be prudent to think of the future?

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    what good is water infrastructure without energy to power it. Sooooooo..... Energy is necessary for everyone, not just some. Investing in energy infrastructure would clearly fall under "promote the general welfare." Wouldn't it be prudent to think of the future?
    It doesn't matter so much in my opinion if energy prices increase to the point that few can use it to their desire. Water however is necessary to support life. I don't consider you comparison, comparable.

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    It doesn't matter so much in my opinion if energy prices increase to the point that few can use it to their desire. Water however is necessary to support life. I don't consider you comparison, comparable.
    You know what will happen if energy prices rise to the point that only few can use it. Desalination plants, Water treatment plants, etc will have to continue to use energy (that is, if they want to continue to make water). Sooooo...... that same water that is necessary to support life will only be available to the few that can pay to use it to their desire.

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    Water in the west is pretty much screwed beyond all recognition. Too many rights to water handed out like - cough - it was raining from the sky.

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    You know what will happen if energy prices rise to the point that only few can use it. Desalination plants, Water treatment plants, etc will have to continue to use energy (that is, if they want to continue to make water). Sooooo...... that same water that is necessary to support life will only be available to the few that can pay to use it to their desire.
    Don't you see shades of gray, or do you only see black and white?

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    I only see in shades of black and surgeon.

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    Don't you see shades of gray, or do you only see black and white?
    I see that the two are intertwined and the only way to seperate them is to kill a ton of humans (which would extinguish the need to find other ways of getting water like desalination plants). The fact that you can't see this is a little ridiculous to me. Like it or not at current population (even moreso at greater populatiosn), energy is a necessity on par with water and food for humans to survive since energy is needed to power the pursuit of both of those endeavors. If you feel that the government should step in on those issues, then it would seem only logical that you would make the same arguement in favor of responsible energy production.

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    I see that the two are intertwined and the only way to seperate them is to kill a ton of humans (which would extinguish the need to find other ways of getting water like desalination plants). The fact that you can't see this is a little ridiculous to me. Like it or not at current population (even moreso at greater populatiosn), energy is a necessity on par with water and food for humans to survive since energy is needed to power the pursuit of both of those endeavors. If you feel that the government should step in on those issues, then it would seem only logical that you would make the same arguement in favor of responsible energy production.
    I'm not going to spend much time explaining my point of view on this. I think we can agree to disagree. I do understand what you are saying about energy being necessary, but I disagree with it being equal to water. I don't have a problem with subsidizing water costs, which breaks from my normal "no subsidy" speak. Energy prices may rise to the point that less and less people can have lifestyles like we do today. That isn't going to have the same impact as if we were to run out of drinkable water, and water for crops.

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    WC, it takes a load of energy to desalinate water in large quan ies.

    Just sayin...

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    I'm not going to spend much time explaining my point of view on this. I think we can agree to disagree. I do understand what you are saying about energy being necessary, but I disagree with it being equal to water. I don't have a problem with subsidizing water costs, which breaks from my normal "no subsidy" speak. Energy prices may rise to the point that less and less people can have lifestyles like we do today. That isn't going to have the same impact as if we were to run out of drinkable water, and water for crops.
    yes, but just as you are suggesting that we can use less and less electricity, we can use less and less water. We use twice the world's average water. That can come down substantially (through increased water prices) before we need any kind of those dirty subsidies, don't you think? Just as an example San Antonio used the same amount of water in in 2009 as it did in 1984 (despite having a population that was 65% larger). We use 45 Gallons less than the average american per day. Psssst, this was the doing of the dirty unwashed hippy environmentalists and their love for the blind salamander.

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    yes, but just as you are suggesting that we can use less and less electricity, we can use less and less water. We use twice the world's average water. That can come down substantially (through increased water prices) before we need any kind of those dirty subsidies, don't you think? Just as an example San Antonio used the same amount of water in in 2009 as it did in 1984 (despite having a population that was 65% larger). We use 45 Gallons less than the average american per day. Psssst, this was the doing of the dirty unwashed hippy environmentalists and their love for the blind salamander.
    That and screaming high SAWS bills.

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    That and screaming high SAWS bills.
    I have had a pretty stable water bill myself. Between 40 and 45 dollars for the entirety of the four years that I have owned my house (5 people). I don't own a ranch like you but my lot is also larger than average. I find this to be absolutely reasonable.

    Also, the blind salamander is the reason that we have federal restrictions put into place as to how much water san antonio can pump from the aquifer. Thus the lowering of our water usage.

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    WC, it takes a load of energy to desalinate water in large quan ies.

    Just sayin...
    Thank you.

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    Should just make Lake Wild Cobra to solve the water issue.

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    Should just make Lake Wild Cobra to solve the water issue.
    sorry manny...

    1/10

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    East German judge, TBH

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    East German judge, TBH


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    WC, it takes a load of energy to desalinate water in large quan ies.

    Just sayin...
    Yes, I know. Probably a good use of solar and wind energy since desalination wouldn't require on demand energy. It could operate as energy is available.

    Again, subsidizing clean water and irrigation water is acceptable to me.

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    sorry manny...

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    Yep, he and others keep coming up with things so lame.

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    Yep, he and others keep coming up with things so lame.
    Sigh, I know someone else will come in and bash you for this so I won't even bother. I really just prefer to let you speak for yourself.

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    You know what will happen if energy prices rise to the point that only few can use it.
    The price would plummet.

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    The price would plummet.
    not if that high price is the new equilibrium on the demand curve.

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