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He deserves it, don't think anyone seriously was expecting him to sign for anywhere close to $5mil/season.
In the latest Buck Harvey piece, he had an interesting tidbit about Tim Duncan and his future with the Spurs.
This season, Duncan is making $21,164,619 ... so "more than half" makes it sound like the Spurs will begin the negotiations at around $11 million. In the recent thread about the rebuilding plans, many Spurs fans said they wanted to sign Duncan to a cheaper contract than Harvey is describing here. I assume this news won't excite those fans.
When Bruno discussed the Spurs salaries, he outlined how the Spurs could open up more than $17 million of cap room. If Duncan would have re-signed for around $5 million, the Spurs could have had room to throw a ton of money at a free agent. However, that does not appear to be the plan.
Personally, I'm fine with this news. (BTW, Harvey is extremely plugged in so this news is legit.) Duncan shouldn't have to take a massive cut in pay. Back in 2001, David Robinson got a contract that paid him $10 million per season. Add inflation to that figure and a comparable deal would start at about $12.4 million for Duncan. In fact, that may very well be the number the Spurs start at when opening negotiations.
If you're looking for a recent comparable, Jason Kidd got three years and $25 million at age 36. With that in mind and adding in what we know, a three-year, $38 million deal might work for both Duncan and the Spurs.
He deserves it, don't think anyone seriously was expecting him to sign for anywhere close to $5mil/season.
He's earned it. Let's hope they win it all this year.
Now this time, you legitimately changed.
BTW, my inflation math was a fail. It's actually closer to $12.8 million ... but point somewhat remains.
If this is true Spurs are in serious trouble from both a contention standpoint and rebuilding standpoint though. With only (seemingly at best based on this news) the MLE level money to work with, they can't address position of need likely (Lorbek perhaps?) & they are just good enough to compete for a mini playoff run (if healthy) so they won't get good draft picks.
There's no doubt he deserves it. I guess what it comes down to is if Tim really wants to win or not. The more cap space they can create the better it will help in getting free agents. If they're going to be over the cap anyway then they may as well pay him 11M.
Yeah, $12-$15 million per is about what I'd be looking to sign Tim for for the next 2-3 years (whichever he wants).
Assuming gets amnestied, the Spurs should have full MLE this summer to grab a supporting player after bringing Tim back.
well..i thought $8-$12 was an optimal number, but $12.5 for 3 years for a basketball legend in his twilight is very well deserved.
Rebuilding/contention will not be affected that drastically next year. There are quite a few vets who can play for the minimum next year in order to win a championship. Plus Lorbek should be available for little..
MLE hasn't really proven to be enough for the Spurs to lure FA's (if so, RJ would be gone already)
Disagree, especially about rebuilding.
Like I said I certainly won't be mad; disappointed is the word I guess. Knowing the Spurs goal is a le with the big 3 and that they've needed to add pretty significantly to their roster (as evidenced by their lack of a 2nd round win in a while), it makes the fact they will be really limited tough.
If Spurs plan is to offer Duncan around $12M per year, the whole cap space plan is dead.
First, it makes the choice of not having picked James Anderson option even less understandable.
Second, it open more potential trades for Spurs at this trade deadline. With no concern about some future cap space, taking players without expiring contracts is way less problematic.
11m better come with targets man, thats just to much
spurs already given him a loyalty extention which his currently on 40-50m current contract....how much more loyalty are the FO going to continue to give b4 they start to rebuild...
oi timvp
if duncan resigns for 5m a season, leaves 17m in capspace without resignin green, neal? i think these 2 are going to get paid which bites into whatever capspace is needed to sign a really good FA
Between Duncan/ , Spurs will probably shave about $20 million off the books this summer. They've positioned themselves quite nicely to go out and find a middle-tier free agent that should help us, probably another big.
I know I will be in the minority here but...
Timmy is a s of the player he once was...so if he gets as much money as you guys are quoting...it will be highway robbery. Timmy robbing the Spurs.
Does he deserve it?
Well...if you base it on what he has done in the past...then, of course, he does.
If you want to be honest and pay him what he is worth now and what his playing performance deserves....then he should only get about 5 mil a season...no more.
People can't be honest though...and people/fans will go by emotion and by what Timmy has done...but if you are real honest...you know that he is not a 12-14 million dollars a season player anymore.
He averages less than 20 & 10 ...plays a lot less minutes than he used to...looks gimpy most nights...has very little post game left...can't move his feet on defense...and needs to have a coach who strictly monitors his minutes...and you want to re-sign him to a large salary that will cripple the future of the team?
Be honest.
still need to resign neal and green man, and whoever in europe we bringin over like bertrans and lorbek...
Again, it's understandable & watching the big 3 is special so it's not all bad.
No offense, but I think this is dumb.
No offense taken...
I love Timmy as much as any Spur going back to Gervin....
but as much as I appreciate him and what he has done...he is nowhere near the player he once was...
If you can't see this...then emotion must be in the way.
we already given him a loyalty contract which was the 40-50m extention his currently on....even though his current stats is still better then whatever bigs are out there who currently earn +10m, i dont think its justifiable for that much money.....
should we treat duncan as another commodity or loyalty player, at the end of the day its business
its time to start moving away from the big3 and building for the future post duncan
It's not emotion when I say your assessment of his abilities are way off.
Based on his numbers and value, Duncan is probably worth 8 or 9 mil/year..
Between chumps such as Kwame Brown who is paid $7 million, one trick ponies like DeAndre Jordan who are paid close to $10 million per year or Andris Biedrins ($9 million for doing nothing) or idiots such as Andray Blatche ($7 million for sucking), Tyrus Thomas ($8 million for riding the pine), Andrew Bogut ($12 million for playing a quarter-season every year).. I think Tim Duncan is still better than many or on par with some (Bogut) to be paid what he is rumoured to get next year.
B-ball reference will also tell you for e.g. that Kevin Garnett has earned close to $100 million more than Tim Duncan despite winning far less (and playing two more seasons).
The salary cap next year is expected to be about $58mil.
If we say Duncan makes $11mil next year, Parker/gino make about $26mil combined, and rest of team makes about $11mil, we will have about $10 mil in cap space to sign a good big man. Names that could be available that we could sign:
Chris Kaman
Spencer Hawes
Omer Asik
Kris Humphries
Carl Landry
Antawn Jamison
Jason Thompson
Ersan Ilyasova
A bunch of other useful names as well that could be available for near-minimum salary.
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