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How much do you think he could get with another team, $15 million?
Absolutely the truth. That may have been a disjointed contract, but one thing Malone had going for him that Duncan does not was his health. I still feel the Spurs have to take Duncan's health into consideration when they sign him to his next contract.
How much do you think he could get with another team, $15 million?
Why would you even say that?
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Malone had an excellent work ethic and kept his body in peak condition. He also had really good durability record. He could have probably kept playing past 40.
i assume ur not ready for post duncan or big3 .....i dont want to pay big money for the 3 either when that money is better of spending on someone to be next franchise player of the spurs, while the big3 accept whatever paydeal to become role/bench players
He would still be shortchanging himself because the Heat can only offer him the vet minimum.
As the No1 die-heart fan of Timmy in Asia I really hope that Timmy could earn as much as the spurs could offer him . but on the other hand. just think about it Timmy is turning to 37 years old next year and still get more than 12 million per year is kinda unreasonable. If my memory serves me there is no big man in the league who is over 37 years old can still get 12 -15 million per year .
Basically Timmy still deserves a 3 years contract of 30 million that is what the spurs could offer him in terms of rebuilding the team 2 years later.
just imagine that if Timmy just gets 10 million next season as well as the spurs use their amensty provision to deal with RJ they would have a ton of moeny in free agency.
I don't know the particulars of which teams have salary cap space but I'd imagine a middle of the road contender would love to rent Duncan for a couple of seasons while they wait to clear even more salary cap space at a later date. Teams that fit that description would be the Denvers, Philadelphias and Indianas of the league. If you're one of those teams and can't land a legit, young max player, why not throw money at Duncan over two years? That's a lot less risky that throwing money at a player who might not be worth max money on a long-term deal.
Why would you even say that?
Wasn't fun to consider but that's for anyone who thinks the Spurs have leverage over Duncan when it comes to his next contract.
What part of that post made you think I'm not ready? I was just explaining why the Spurs don't have leverage.
That's cool to know in retrospect but when the Jazz gave Malone that contract, no power forward in NBA history had ever posted a PER better than 18 past age 36. Again, the Jazz had no way to know Malone wouldn't be worthless within a year of giving him that deal. Malone wasn't the first player to stay in shape.
The threat isn't to make more money, it's to go somewhere to win championships while being closer to home. When Robinson decided to negotiate, he brought up going to the Knicks even though New York couldn't have given him much money.
but spurs shouldnt put themselves in a position where they overpay him just because some team decides to overpay him, i dont care what other chumps get paid which teams made mistakes overpaying and crippling their organization to contend...
if we ooverpay him and still manage to win rings, then no one will say anything, but if we dont win and continue to be a regular season team pretender in the playoffs, then whats the point?
I'm kinda excited to see what the FO does when we rebuild for real. I'm just worried that we don't tank a season for a great draft pick and fall into the good but not great purgatory.
Frankly, after the 21 millions year contract we are gonna pay him this year, going on his over 36, and after (probably) some healthy investiments and a more than decent money coming from advertisement, Timmy could decide just to play for peanuts giving to the F.O. the chance to join another star or at least a very good player for increasing the chances of onother (or some other) le.
After all, that should be his main goal, meaning the "number" he could reach in the all time players standings...
Remembering that, if till now, he's considered the best PF ever, in time, also this " le" could be put in danger considering the stats (Malone hes been the second all time scoring player, and tim will never have the chance to join his numbers), and the most important stat that Tim can show is the numbers of les he won...still playing an important part on the same team.
So, imho, this is the perspective he should have going in negotiations with the FO...the more time pass, the more the goals of Tim and the FO should be the same : winning the most les possible.
That said, another thing that will be decisive to consider in such relationship, is what kind of player(s) the FO would like to add and could be able to attract...
This!! At the end of the day...it's still a business...the team still needs future talent...can't get talent unless you have "enough" money to spend.
Duncan making 8 to 9 mil per is more than adequate for both loyalty of the past and the team's reality for the future. I'd even like it more if it were 7 to 8 but add an extra year with last year not fully guaranteed. ae: 9 x 3 = 27 or 8 x 4 = 32
i think this is the correct deal with each year a player option or a guranteed contract with no team option....this allows him to call it quits when he feels it time without harming the organization payroll commitments
Going back to your logic he is more than a 1/4th of the player he "was". I would go as far as to say more than half the player he use to be. So compensation should be just IMO.
Then contract accordingly? 12/9/6 over the next 3 years? Last year not fully guaranteed.
I'm no genius like the rest of these fine fellows here at ST are, but...
Why can't we offer a nice contract, but then, like in baseball, offer him a personal services contract in addition to the basketball one?
I think SpursCo, if possible, should consider this if possible, because a long term, lucrative personal services contract could most likely cause a pretty nice reduction in the basketball contract number, and given how much Timmy's done for the Spurs I think something like that would be something that's due for him as well as something that we should fulfill.
It also provides for the ultimate in long term security, which should be a nice appeal.
You can make the argument he isn't worth 21M this season so the FO would be en led to some discount on the next contract.
From circa 2001 :
'The National Basketball Association today announced that Commissioner David Stern has taken the following actions based upon an arbitrator's ruling on Monday that the Minnesota Timberwolves, Joe Smith, and agent Eric Fleisher entered into a secret agreement in violation of the NBA's salary cap rules:
directed the forfeiture of Minnesota's own first-round draft picks in the 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2005 NBA Drafts;
fined the team $3.5 million; and
voided the player contract between Smith and the Timberwolves for the 2000-01 season, along with all contracts previously entered into by Smith and the team.
In addition to these penalties, the Collective Bargaining Agreement also authorizes the Commissioner to suspend team personnel who were involved in the making of the secret agreement. Those suspensions will be determined after subsequent proceedings before the arbitrator.'
That's harsh and crude...and unfortunately...reality.
I see the point you're trying to make but don't think it would come to such measures. I believe both Duncan and the Spurs are higher in integrity than pulling that card.
A fair and approving assessment I'm sure will be achieved with Duncan getting his proper due and the Spurs being allowed to fiscally plan for the future.
Besides that...St. Croix is only a quick plane flight away...
first off, I think the worst method to figure out what "a player deserves" is to compare to other contracts. you will always find that one contract to back up your position, whatever your position may be.
a 34 years old Charles Barkley, coming off a 19 pts / 13 rebounds / 5 assits all star season took a paycut of almost -60% in 1997. what does this tell us for the TD situation?
absolutely nothing. just that we won't find the "accurate" number for Tim by looking at the last contracts of other legends, be it Malone or be it Barkley.
With all of the salary numbers being tossed around by various players the one thing that strikes me is that the new salary structure really changes the outcome.
12 mil for TD under the old system may be okay, but who would really pay him more than 10 mil knowing what it would do to the rest of a team's salary structure. Just like the rest of us, there just is not as much money to go around.
very little post game left-wrong
gimpy most nights- c'mon?
can't move his feet on defense- you kidding? he's the only person making our D watchable
needs a coach.....-haven't you noticed it? it's always the coaches' job to do that, , no player says "ok im done for the night", "maybe imma play a little more"
emotions maybe in the way. but your post is stupid
dwight would laugh at your comments
tbh, I just can't read all these posts saying 11 mil is overpaying him. It's not about loyalty dude, lets all get real other bigs that come close to his stats/average get paid more than him and bigs who do like timvp said get something close to his like 9-10 mil per year. And you call tim overpaid?
Is the over-36 rule in the new CBA? If not, the Spurs could just give Duncan something like 7 years, $37 million. If the over-36 rule is still in place, though, would someone mind explaining it to me? I know it would bring much of that salary forward in this 7/37 case, but I don't know exactly how it works.
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