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    The authors looked at cap and trade, the economic “stimulus,” and Obamacare, and concluded that the latter had by far the most adverse effect on Democrats’ fortunes—voters were “approximately 5 points less likely to vote for an in bent who supported health reform than one who opposed it.”

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    voters not only oppose Obamacare as policy but view it as a symbol of a commitment to big-government liberalism.

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    Do you post this to reassure yourself?

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    Did you post that to reassure yourself?

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    Isn't Obama always getting his ass kicked in Rasmussen polls? And in everyone else's he ahead?

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    Isn't Obama always getting his ass kicked in Rasmussen polls? And in everyone else's he ahead?
    Pretty much: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...bama-1171.html

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    Rassmussen is known for doing conservative commentary in addition to their polling.

    I prefer Pew and Gallup myself.

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    Obama will win in November. He is going to serve Bush's 4th term.

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    Obama will win in November. He is going to serve Bush's 4th term.

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    It is a great point that Romney getting the nomination would neutralize the Obamacare debate and in that case not only give Obama a pass but also make sure that if the SCOTUS doesn't find it uncons utional, then it will probably be something we have to learn to live with. That is until it bankrupts us.

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    It is a great point that Romney getting the nomination would neutralize the Obamacare debate and in that case not only give Obama a pass but also make sure that if the SCOTUS doesn't find it uncons utional, then it will probably be something we have to learn to live with. That is until it bankrupts us.
    You do know the "Obamacare" bill actually lowered the health care costs to the US government, right?

    You do know who pays for the uninsured when they can't pay their medical bills?

    (hint, it rhymes with "blue do")

    Care to guess what the leading cause of personal bankruptcy is?

    (hint, it rhymes with "shmedical hills")

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    You do know the "Obamacare" bill actually lowered the health care costs to the US government, right?

    You do know who pays for the uninsured when they can't pay their medical bills?

    (hint, it rhymes with "blue do")

    Care to guess what the leading cause of personal bankruptcy is?

    (hint, it rhymes with "shmedical hills")
    I love your smuggness in your inaccuracy. In the future I wouldn't go by Obama's number crunchers.

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    would love a link of this mythical 2 trillion in ten years, from only six of the ten actually having implemented obamacare.
    None of this factors in the military who will move to this to save money from tricare.

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    During his presentation to Wisconsin officials in August 2011, Gruber revealed that while about 57 percent of those who get their insurance through the individual market will benefit in one way or another from the law’s subsides, an even larger majority of the individual market will end up paying drastically more overall.

    “After the application of tax subsidies, 59 percent of the individual market will experience an average premium increase of 31 percent,” Gruber reported.



    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/11/ob...#ixzz1oqhU1uWy
    -Johhnathon Gruber, Co creator of Romneycare and Obamacare.

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    Romney has a shot... he can easily move closer to the center. I don't think any of the others do. JMO.

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    It's about getting people in the swing districts to come out. Romney can't do that. It might be mccain all over again.

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    It's about getting people in the swing districts to come out. Romney can't do that. It might be mccain all over again.
    Nah... it's about capturing the independent vote... Romney is a guy that can talk more than just gay marriage, abortion, contraceptives, iran, etc.

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    I repeat:

    A few weeks before the 2008 election, Rasmussen had McLiar and pitbull winning in a landslide.

    It is apparent that the non-stop lies the Repugs have been repeating about ACA have swayed a lot of ignorant, lazy, facts-dont-matter Human-Americans.

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    Yall said the same thing about mccain

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    Yall said the same thing about mccain
    McCain was DOA because he was following Jr... Palin actually did get some people excited, but it faded, and the independent vote never materialized. That's why Barry won by an ample margin. Neither team can win with just their base votes... the center normally decides the election...

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    karl rove's idea of exciting the core I think works better now a days than trying to move towards the middle. With places like the T in Pennsylvania and Southern Ohio there is going to be a better turn out for conservatives than getting the small amount of real independents.

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