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Jerry West built those teams. Prove me wrong.
go look in the mirror
Jerry West built those teams. Prove me wrong.
Jerry West built those teams. Prove me wrong.
go look in the mirror
The Logo's health was bad by the 1st of the 3peat. I don't feel like digging up the articles, but he used to get really nervous when the Lakers played - even when they were heavily favored to win. He couldn't even watch games or be at the Forum or Staples as much as he once did. Eventually he had to take time away from the Lakers. PJ telling him to get the out of the lockerroom was the straw that broke the camel's back (around 1999 during Shaq's MVP season).Now you're the one
West built those teams. Quit crediting Kup with he doesn't deserve.
During all this time, MK was there. He's been there since 1983 as a player. He got hurt around 1987 and had to retire. He became part of the Laker FO around 1988 to begin his apprenticeship. So technically, it's MK: 6, Pop/Buford 4.He's been on the job training since 1988. Learned his craft from the best GM in NBA history for 12 years, then garnered 5 LOBs himself. Cementing his place in Laker lore and sending Pop/Buford to the tree of woe in the process.
He didn't build those teams. I don't care if Jerry West was 6 feet in' under. Every key player on those 3 peat teams was signed or drafted by Jerry West. Not to mention West was the person who hired Jackson. When a film wins an Academy Award, they don't hand the in' Oscar to the assistant director.The Logo's health was bad by the 1st of the 3peat. I don't feel like digging up the articles, but he used to get really nervous when the Lakers played - even when they were heavily favored to win. He couldn't even watch games or be at the Forum or Staples as much as he once did. Eventually he had to take time away from the Lakers. PJ telling him to get the out of the lockerroom was the straw that broke the camel's back (around 1999 during Shaq's MVP season).
During all this time, MK was there. He's been there since 1983 as a player. He got hurt around 1987 and had to retire. He became part of the Laker FO around 1988 to begin his apprenticeship. So technically, it's MK: 6, Pop/Buford 4. He's been on the job training since 1988. Learned his craft from the best GM in NBA history for 12 years, then garnered 5 LOBs himself. Cementing his place in Laker lore and sending Pop/Buford to the tree of woe in the process.
Quit rewriting history for the purpose of propping up the latest Laker hero. I know you're all ing at the fact you got .398 shooter coming your way, but the way you Laker s are rimjobbing Kupchak after this signing is reaching levels of gotry that would have even West Hollywood appalled.
I proved you wrong. You just refuse to acknowledge it. The Lakers org isn't a dictatorship. You think Logo made all of the decisions? You think he is dumb enough to not solicit help from Lester or MK? If you believe that , I got a $3 bill for you.
It would be dumb as to not listen to your assistants. I guess Pop didn't have any help with those championship Spur teams. He should get all of the credit because he was the GM turned HC? GTFO with that bull . You hypocritical bas .
Best trades I will give you...but unfortunately your team can't even draft a solid player or players for that matter that can stay on the court longer than one season out of five years at best. Your best bet is to swing the big bucks for Drexler to come out of retirement to save your ass from extinction next to the Bobcats... at least Drexler could stay on the floor long enough to break a sweat.The Blazers made the best trades yesterday BY FAR. We will now have 2 lottery picks in the deepest draft in years. Neither the Lakers or Spurs are going to win the le this year so your moves are irrelevant. Even if you did somehow miraculously ring it wouldn't matter since this is an asterisk (*) season!
Proved me wrong how? Assistant does not equal General Manager, you stupid . At the end of the day, West had the final say (technically Jerry Buss, but I hope your re ed brain gets the point).
Since when do we give assistants majority credit for things? Oh, since dumbass Laker fan wants to prop up his flavor of the week crush.
As GM, Kupchak built 2 championship teams, and there's no amount of spin you can put on that fact to skew it otherwise.
I seem to have struck a nerve. I'm sorry mid, you sensitive
Yes Dr. Buss does get the last say so - how did you know?
Because he didn't bring 5 les as GM to the Lakers. What move did he make during the 3 peat that was responsible for one of those championships?I seem to have struck a nerve. I'm sorry mid, you sensitive
Yes Dr. Buss does get the last say so - how did you know?
Signing Samaki Walker
Kupchak inherited West's work during that period and simply turned the key. It's consensus those were West's teams. The groundwork was already laid and all Kupchak had to do was sit back with that stupid look he always has on his face and watch three le teams emerge.
You trolling. I'm done with you on this topic. Proceed.Because he didn't bring 5 les as GM to the Lakers. What move did he make during the 3 peat that was responsible for one of those championships?
Signing Samaki Walker
Kupchak inherited West's work during that period and simply turned the key. It's consensus those were West's teams. The groundwork was already laid and all Kupchak had to do was sit back with that stupid look he always has on his face and watch three le teams emerge.
Yeah, I'm trolling when all I've spoken are facts.You trolling. I'm done with you on this topic. Proceed.
Who was the GM that signed Shaq, Phil Jackson, Rick Fox, Robert Horry, and drafted Derek Fisher and Kobe Bryant?
Mitch Kupchak?
Why don't we boil it down to the ultimate success stat of a GM?
2000-2012: 5 chips
1999-2012: 4 chips
One primarily saw success through various trades, dealing with massive egos and a lot of pressure on his shoulders from a huge market that expects success. The other saw success primarily through drafts (Duncan [de-facto 1st pick], Manu & Parker as prime examples).
You can't say Mitch had it easy being a Laker GM when teams have animosity towards the franchise and there are extremely high expectations on him. Pop is in a small market team, fans don't have that feeling of en lement that LAL fans do and thus the pressure is not so high. Mitch had to try and enact miracles and was forced to roll the dice very often.
I would rank Mitch #1 as a GM, Pop, I dunno, he's the best draft picker I guess.
Mitch did not build the 3 peat teams. I don't care what his official le was during that period. To give him majority credit for that success is something of an insult to Jerry West.
And as far as other team's executives having animosity towards the Lakers, it's not evident from the deals the Lakers constantly get from other teams. As I explained, it has a lot to do with the smaller market franchises wanting to exchange their good veteran players who they don't want to give relatively large contracts to for late first round picks, hoping those picks will produce a similar skilled player at a much lower cost. Then when that player reaches his contract year, the said small market/cheap franchise repeats the process. I simply don't think Kupchak is that much of a genius when fans on message boards were saying Sessions could be had for a bag of chips.
With regard to Pop, since when is making good draft picks not part of a GMs job? Pop's last 4 years have been mediocre and at times, down right re ed (the Scola gaff likely cost the Spurs a le shot in '08), but from 1999-07, there was no better NBA executive.
To give him no credit for it would be an insult to Mitch, he helped bring the team together and saw them through a 3peat.
Other teams have apparent animosity towards the Lakers, they don't like how they throw money around or how they "buy" les. Although, when it comes to the point where a team has to rebuild or scrap what they can from their star players, LAL is the dream team for many players and it becomes easy to send players over here.
Does that make it easy for Mitch? No, it makes it easy for teams that want to deal with LAL. The difficulty for Mitch stems from the fact that LAL never lives for the future, the team lives for the moment. Mitch works around the big moves to ensure he can make deals.
After all, which teams are the ones who have the biggest agenda come trade deadline? Lakers + whoever is planning to blow their team up. I don't think any other GM could have kept a job so long on LAL.
I said he was a good draft picker because that was PART of the job, but it's only a park. For Lakers, it isn't a big part because they rarely get lotto picks. Admittedly, the FO isn't good at drafting; it's the moves & additions that really makes them shine.
^ great essays guys
Of course he deserves credit. But West was the orchestrater. He built the team from the ground up. He gutted Shaq's pretty damn good supporting cast of Nick the Quick, Eddie Jones, and Elden Campbell on the faith that a yet unproven Kobe Bryant and Derek Fisher would supplement their absence. Then he brought in Phil Jackson to lead the way.
To assign Kupchak majority credit for those championships would be wrong.
Regarding draft picks, the Spurs rarely get lottery picks either. The Lakers have had more in the past 20 years than the Spurs. Because Peter Holt is such a cheap sucker (not to mention free agent aversion to San Antonio), the Spurs have to build through the draft and finding these "diamond in the rough" type players like Gary Neal on the cheap.
We'll just have to agree to disagree. In a West/Pop comparison, you'll get no argument from me that West is the better executive, but I personally believe Popovich is the better one than Kupchak. I don't think Kupchak would win in SA. I doubt he drafts Tony Parker or Ginobili, without whom, there's 3 less les in SA, and shackled by Holt's shallow checkbook, along with being an undesirable location, he'd likely never land a high profile free agent.
Get a life and stop writing weak ass fantasy novels
Too many words for your chimp brain to comprehend?
Pass is a real Laker . Actually from LA, unlike your Houston born posing ass.
Mitch did have to work with Buss, whom for the post-shaq/pre-gasol, had a cost saving mindset. I don't assign him the majority of the credit for the 3peat, but I give him credit for keeping the team together for as long as he did. We all know, especially Mavs, that after winning a le keeping the same cast isn't always easy unless the players are genuinely loyal.
Even with lotto picks, LAL wouldn't do much better than Blazers. The only true fault of our FO is that we can't draft well. Only recently has Bynum paid off.
At any rate, we are en led to our own opinions. I have no criticism for spurs FO, they have a knack for putting together players that get along well.
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