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Congrats, you just contradicted yourself in one sentence.
Sorry you lost your Faith but to think we should all take your lead is pretty stupid. You don't like people assuming things about you? You are pretty much doing the same, saying Christians don't do this or that and saying we are actually scared of what YOU believe is the truth?! C'mon man give us a break! People in general aren't perfect but that doesn't mean you lose confidence in the core values of religion and what it stands for. I'm not trying to change what your own personal beliefs are. I'm just trying to get you and others like you to stop insulting people who believe in a religion. That's what bigots do. Again, sorry religion failed you. There's a lot of info here, I've read some of it, you may find it interesting too if you care to read it.
http://www.godandscience.org/
Congrats, you just contradicted yourself in one sentence.
I find it insulting that religious views dictate the direction of the national and state government of United States of America among other countries. I find it insulting that a history of racism, anti-feminism, and phobic views stem from western religion. I find it insulting that people think religion holds more weight in laying down laws and influencing social opinion on abortion, birth control, and sex in general... when that is something entirely within the scientific jurisdiction. I find it insulting that a huge number of priests have sodomized many innocent children, only to have the Vatican defend them. I find it insulting that children are killed, mutilated, and mentally defaced in the name of ignorance by religious beliefs over common sense. I find it insulting that people are willing to murder by terrorism, war, and genocide in the name of their religious affiliation or personal psychotic approval from their god.
If you had just stopped before the bolded. Damn.
When you state the bolded, then you leave yourself open to questioning about how you came to this conclusion/judgement. "Do you have a phone line to the big-fella" etc... This is where people of faith get themselves in deep do-do. You make these judgements based on your belief, with is faith based, and then people delve into where your faith arises. And then they twist you like a pretzel. Faith does not happen out of nowhere.
Then you attempt to scramble out of the mud using logic. Its a losing game. God should have exempted us from reason, it would have been so easy. But no we dont want it easy, we want you to go against reason, make a choice, and have faith, which is also based on a type of reason, which is based on upbringing and or the bible for most on the board who choose to argue in this manner.
Darn it...
I agree. I hope all of what you said is history one day. Policy and actions should stem from common sense, goodwill, accountability and a common code of ethics. Most religions say they have a foundation of peace, well it's time to show it. But unfortunately that's way too easy to say and difficult to do. There should be a separation of church and state that still allows freedom of expression so long as it doesn't trample on the freedom of others and is respectful to all. Westboro church protesting at funerals.... not cool.
I don't know how it started but I can reasonably and logically rule out Bible God and the flying spaghetti monster.
You just further confirmed that your reading comprehension skills suck. Congrats.
So you are saying it's possible to get kicked out of heaven once you get there?
That would contradict God's promise of eternal life to mankind through Jesus.
Cool thing about religion. You can take the pieces of it you like, mold it to fit your notions, and call it THE WORD. One can just make up their own rules about getting to heaven, what heaven is, staying in heaven, how to come to know God; what God wants, what God thinks, what God wants for you, what God wants for others, how many Gods there are (the trinity thing, or is that now passe...) And if your are John Hagee, you can make huge bucks on it by saving people that are guilty about making too much money. Apparently the wealth is not transferable, it comes with a fee.
"I dont know..." its a hard admission to make. So instead, make stuff up.
Last edited by pgardn; 03-17-2012 at 03:33 PM.
In logic, there's also inductive reasoning which I believe many theists rely on. That's why I say it's not illogical. Some reasoning, however, meets the criteria for being delusional, especially when the believer sees events around them as being personal signs.
Apparently that's the way it worked for Lucifer, he was God's #1 angel, full of beauty but it all got to his head and he wanted to be like God.
It may not work like that for us.. that's to be continued...
Reading comprehension? Sorry dude you take lowest honors, this was proven last week.
33% of the angels agreed and left. Doesn't sound like paradise to me.
If it doesn't work like that for you, you lack free will.
If God kicks you out because you exercise your free will, then God broke his promise.
lol provenReading comprehension? Sorry dude you take lowest honors, this was proven last week.
Keep the faith
Dear Lord baby Jesus, lyin' there in your ghost manger, just lookin' at your Baby Einstein developmental videos, learnin' 'bout shapes and colors. I would like to thank you for bringin' me and my mama together, and also that my kids no longer sound like re ed gang-bangers.
there's no evidence from the Bible to suggest that there isn't free will in God's kingdom. On the other hand, there is evidence to suggest that there's no sin or temptation so the idea of rebelling against God would seem improbable. I'm going to guess that if someone wanted to leave they certainly would be accommodated, but that would be the person's fault not God's.
what's that from?
they didn't voluntarily leave - they were banished for their rebellion
Talladega Nights
I don't think God wants a relationship with robots, so there is a good chance freewill exists in heaven as well.
thus "agreed and left".
Who would rebel against a perfect en y in a perfect setting? Angels, that's who. ing angels.
Christian: No one knows the mind of God
Christian: I think God wants...
Seriously, do you sit around and imagine conclusions to movies that have ended already, wondering what happened after the credits rolled, like it's still going on in some dimension somewhere? Do you ever wonder what Tom Sawyer's kids looked like?
It's fiction. Why are you trying to move the story along further than it's written? Your imagination on it is absolutely useless, it means nothing.
Contradictions are allowed by God...
I think.
In severely altered form.
But heck, poetic license runs rampant on this thread.
So many paradoxes and/or contradictions to choose from here...
I'll go with this one:
Does Lucifer lack free will? After all, his path has been chosen for him...
If not, how stupid do you have to be to think you could overthrow an omnipotent/omniscient being? Satan's not some cunning deceiver.....he's a ing idiot.
You can't see the problem.
Shocking.
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