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    Disagree.

    Unless you're fine with Blair starting, Spurs need a starting PF. Diaw is that guy. In addition of being a good fit, Diaw is just a way better player than Turiaf. I go with Diaw over Turiaf and it's not even close.
    true but they really need to improve on defense.

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    Disagree.

    Unless you're fine with Blair starting, Spurs need a starting PF. Diaw is that guy. In addition of being a good fit, Diaw is just a way better player than Turiaf. I go with Diaw over Turiaf and it's not even close.
    Diaw will bring softness, he is not a great defensive player. He is the better player no doubt about that but I don't think we need his playmaking abilities but we definitely need a hustle big blocking shots and defending the paint.

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    We have three spots now...if the FO think that we can go on with what we already have at point guard the idea of signing all three of Diaw, Turiaf and Nocioni for a run at a le is more than intriguing...argentine and franch connection shuld work well!

    Actually I also think that Diaw is the best of the three but Nocioni and Turiaf both have the skills of the perfect sodiers to go to war with.
    And Diaw and Nocioni could be temped about the idea of a real run for a championship (I think only Turiaf has already won a le...and of the three he' the only one that's pure front line man) and decide to take just the minimum.

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    Disagree.

    Unless you're fine with Blair starting, Spurs need a starting PF. Diaw is that guy. In addition of being a good fit, Diaw is just a way better player than Turiaf. I go with Diaw over Turiaf and it's not even close.
    Nobody is fine with Blair starting but I seriously doubt Pop would start Diaw. Also, Diaw is not better in one important area, physicality and toughness. If Turiaf is healthy, I would take him over Diaw. We need some of that "spirit" in the frontline that Buford used to described Sjax.

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    Diaw will bring softness, he is not a great defensive player. He is the better player no doubt about that but I don't think we need his playmaking abilities but we definitely need a hustle big blocking shots and defending the paint.
    I think you overrate a lot Turiaf's defense. He hustle and play hard but results aren't that great. Diaw passing and shooting will also help a lot Spurs offense. There is a reason why Pop goes so much with Bonner in crunch time: Spurs are a way better offensive team with Bonner over Blair at the PF slot.

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    Diaw would definitely bring something that Blair/Splitter doesn't and that is spacing the floor. I think he would bring what Bonner brings but with better passing.

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    Diaw will bring softness, he is not a great defensive player. He is the better player no doubt about that but I don't think we need his playmaking abilities but we definitely need a hustle big blocking shots and defending the paint.
    None of those are available.

    Right now it looks like Diaw, Turiaf, and maybe AC.

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    We have three spots now...if the FO think that we can go on with what we already have at point guard the idea of signing all three of Diaw, Turiaf and Nocioni for a run at a le is more than intriguing...argentine and franch connection shuld work well!

    Actually I also think that Diaw is the best of the three but Nocioni and Turiaf both have the skills of the perfect sodiers to go to war with.
    And Diaw and Nocioni could be temped about the idea of a real run for a championship (I think only Turiaf has already won a le...and of the three he' the only one that's pure front line man) and decide to take just the minimum.
    They're not going to sign three players. Best case is AC as a back up PG, and one position player. Most likely case is one player, period. They just dumped one vet min contract so they didn't have to pay tax on it. They are not taking on three more for fringe rotational players.

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    Diaw is basically a mix of Bonner (jumpshot, although not as accurated from 3) and Blair (plays in the post). Depending on what the offense needs at a certain time; Diaw is a very versatile player.

    Plus Diaw is more durable than Turiaf and more in control when on the court.

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    Turiaf is like having Rose starting, or Mark Madsen ffs


    Get Diaw and forget Turiaf..

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    I don't get this love affair with Diaw. The west is stacked with quality bigs and another PF that plays like a SF is not what we need. Our problem is not scoring and we need to find the best available physical big available. We are not looking for a starter but someone who can come in with energy and be PHYSICAL (Diaw doesn't apply).

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    any news when will Boris be bought out??

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    They're not going to sign three players. Best case is AC as a back up PG, and one position player. Most likely case is one player, period. They just dumped one vet min contract so they didn't have to pay tax on it. They are not taking on three more for fringe rotational players.
    The only way we have to sign players are the "little" mle and minimum contacts.
    ok that Spurs are already above the lux tax and have to pay the double...but nobody, probably, thought that we could have a little chance, this year, to win it all.
    So a little sacrifice could be made.
    The three above are all of them legitimate nba players with play off experience...that has a great value, meaning the luxury of going in the play offs with 15 men (well, maybe 14 considering Joseph...but the guy has some balls) all with the potential to play at play off level.
    Till now we've gone to play with just four players in the entire front line...and all three of the above mentioned players we can sign can take minutes in the front line.
    Imho it's time to give our starters some more minutes of resting, expecially considering that Blair is probably not going to play in the decisive minutes and that Splitter is not a player you can count on (depending of his phisical conditioning) for a 40 minutes play.
    Both Diaw and Turiaf can play a bit like centers and Diaw has some of the skills of Tim in the post, so he's the main guy that could give him some needed rest in reg season games and play offs games.
    Nocioni is, still, a little more cold blooded than the red rocket for the stretching 4 role and can still hustle like a bull dog.
    Little mle end minimum contracts money are a affoirdable price to pay for more than 20 reg season games and a play off run insurance....

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    If Pop is ready to play Splitter alongside Duncan for extended minutes, Kaman is the better option. However, if he isn't, Kaman will just take away Splitter's minutes.

    Diaw would be a nice addition.

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    The only way we have to sign players are the "little" mle and minimum contacts.
    ok that Spurs are already above the lux tax and have to pay the double...but nobody, probably, thought that we could have a little chance, this year, to win it all.
    So a little sacrifice could be made.
    The three above are all of them legitimate nba players with play off experience...that has a great value, meaning the luxury of going in the play offs with 15 men (well, maybe 14 considering Joseph...but the guy has some balls) all with the potential to play at play off level.
    Till now we've gone to play with just four players in the entire front line...and all three of the above mentioned players we can sign can take minutes in the front line.
    Imho it's time to give our starters some more minutes of resting, expecially considering that Blair is probably not going to play in the decisive minutes and that Splitter is not a player you can count on (depending of his phisical conditioning) for a 40 minutes play.
    Both Diaw and Turiaf can play a bit like centers and Diaw has some of the skills of Tim in the post, so he's the main guy that could give him some needed rest in reg season games and play offs games.
    Nocioni is, still, a little more cold blooded than the red rocket for the stretching 4 role and can still hustle like a bull dog.
    Little mle end minimum contracts money are a affoirdable price to pay for more than 20 reg season games and a play off run insurance....
    Easy to say. It's not your money.

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    I don't get this love affair with Diaw. The west is stacked with quality bigs and another PF that plays like a SF is not what we need. Our problem is not scoring and we need to find the best available physical big available. We are not looking for a starter but someone who can come in with energy and be PHYSICAL (Diaw doesn't apply).
    There aren't any. Please try to stay on track.

    I'm not in love with Diaw, but he's A big that we can plug in, and he's skilled on O. He's versatile enough to play with most of our bigs, and we'll need that when we hit those two B2B2Bs

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    If Pop is ready to play Splitter alongside Duncan for extended minutes, Kaman is the better option. However, if he isn't, Kaman will just take away Splitter's minutes.

    Diaw would be a nice addition.
    The consensus seems to be that Kaman will NOT be bought out. The league does not want to appear to be favoring MIA by throwing them the center they need so badly.

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    Easy to say. It's not your money.
    Well, the point is always the same.
    The more chance we have to go on a deep play off run, the more chance we have to make more money.
    For a deep play off run is a lot better to have a deep roster.
    Two minimum contracts and a mle are what...ten millions more (lux tax included)?
    Probably, passing just one more round (means at least three more home games) already makes more than the above said money...
    And, after all, ten millions is less than what we have already spared with the RJ/SJ +TJ trade.
    Looks more like a good investment to me...

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    Well, the point is always the same.
    The more chance we have to go on a deep play off run, the more chance we have to make more money.
    For a deep play off run is a lot better to have a deep roster.
    Two minimum contracts and a mle are what...ten millions more (lux tax included)?
    Probably, passing just one more round (means at least three more home games) already makes more than the above said money...
    And, after all, ten millions is less than what we have already spared with the RJ/SJ +TJ trade.
    Looks more like a good investment to me...
    No. Ten Million is more than they would make on a Finals run. Like I said, it's real easy for you to spend other people's money.

    Best case is AC and another player, but probably just one player will be signed.

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    Diaw or Kaman?

    The problem I have with Kaman is that he's never been part of a winning program.

    That is a damning factor for a big (most good bigs can at least make a team respectable even with a minimal supporting cast).

    Although the Spurs need a big more than a Diaw-type, I've always liked Diaw. Never thought he was soft.

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    No. Ten Million is more than they would make on a Finals run. Like I said, it's real easy for you to spend other people's money.

    Best case is AC and another player, but probably just one player will be signed.
    Well, I'm probably not that good in knowing the money a team make for any sell out game (like should be in the play off run).
    I find it hard to think that three home play off games makes for the team less than ten millions...all things included.
    And I'm not considering a finals run, that you mentioned.
    I would be shocked if a run to the finals means for an nba team less than ten millions in revenues...if that's the way it works, then there should be something real wrong in the system.
    In that case, and only in that case, you could be absolutely right.
    However, I prefer to always have the wiew of the person that's looking at the best possible chanches for his team to succeed...and, imho, the best chances are with a deep roster full of people hungry for winning with the right skills and not scared to play.
    So I don't think I have to apologize for that.
    Nor I think that I'm playing (nor, by the way, spending like you are saying) with anyone's money...
    Probably the FO knows better than you and me what they can afford.
    And I prefer to hope they can afford some more players...

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    Diaw would be a nice addition to the team. A little bit of shooting and the ability to take it to the rim(at least against a shifting defense), sounds nice to me. He might be able to do some of the things that Carl Landry did against Pau last year.

    Also if we make it to the finals against the Heat he might be a better option against Bosh. Bonner and Blair were terrible against Bosh. I suspect Turiaf wouldn't be much better.

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    Well, I'm probably not that good in knowing the money a team make for any sell out game (like should be in the play off run).
    I find it hard to think that three home play off games makes for the team less than ten millions...all things included.
    And I'm not considering a finals run, that you mentioned.
    I would be shocked if a run to the finals means for an nba team less than ten millions in revenues...if that's the way it works, then there should be something real wrong in the system.
    In that case, and only in that case, you could be absolutely right.
    However, I prefer to always have the wiew of the person that's looking at the best possible chanches for his team to succeed...and, imho, the best chances are with a deep roster full of people hungry for winning with the right skills and not scared to play.
    So I don't think I have to apologize for that.
    Nor I think that I'm playing (nor, by the way, spending like you are saying) with anyone's money...
    Probably the FO knows better than you and me what they can afford.
    And I prefer to hope they can afford some more players...
    The only money a team makes in the post season is seats, parking and concessions. There is no additional TV money, which is the bulk of the money that teams make.

    The players have it worse. The only additional money they get is from the bonus pool as you advance round to round. I think I remember one of the ring years that the Spurs players got $250K for going all the way. For a player making $20M for 82 games, pulling $250K for like 20 something extra games isn't much money at all.

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    The only money a team makes in the post season is seats, parking and concessions. There is no additional TV money, which is the bulk of the money that teams make.

    The players have it worse. The only additional money they get is from the bonus pool as you advance round to round. I think I remember one of the ring years that the Spurs players got $250K for going all the way. For a player making $20M for 82 games, pulling $250K for like 20 something extra games isn't much money at all.
    Thanks for the explanations.
    Weird that the revenues are limited to the thinghs you mentioned.
    Arten't the tv revenues shared between the teams ?
    I thought that the percentage a team makes of the tv revenues depends of the quality and number of games they play.

    If that's not the way it works...imho ther's something wrong.

    There must be some money reward for the teams that are playing more games than the others...and doing so are the main actors of the nba show.

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