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Larry Brown once called Sean Elliott the "whitest black man" he'd ever seen.
It wasn't meant as a compliment.
Can you imagine what Larry would say about the Black Bonner?
cause he pale white with short arms and has a funny ass shooting stance.
na jp i only hate when he puts the ball ont he floor to tell you the truth...
Larry Brown once called Sean Elliott the "whitest black man" he'd ever seen.
It wasn't meant as a compliment.
Can you imagine what Larry would say about the Black Bonner?
I'm sorry, but we gotta let you go!!Larry Brown once called Sean Elliott the "whitest black person" he'd ever seen.
It wasn't meant as a compliment.
Can you imagine what Larry would say about the Black Bonner?
If Bonner was Chinese he would have one billion fans.
This is the kind of stuff that makes my blood boil to have to read.Larry Brown once called Sean Elliott the "whitest black man" he'd ever seen.
It wasn't meant as a compliment.
Can you imagine what Larry would say about the Black Bonner?
Sean Ell1ot was a great basketball player, and also a great human being. What the could Brown find distasteful about Sean?
He is a critical player for slicing into double digit leads in the regular season when the opposition gets lazy.
Unfortunately this does not translate into 4 million dollars per year when he does not make an impact in the playoffs.
Pop likes this type of player of limited ability because they do what they are told. They are team players. They must be. Not enough ability to screw up with any regularity making poor individual decisions. There are very few decisions to make with little to no ability in most aspects of the game.
And its not that he is white, its that he is perfectly stiff. Basketball is supposed to be a beautiful game, flowing, individual gymnastics with a ball type stuff. Bonner is possibly the least fluid player in the NBA at his position. Really a small foward that cant make his own, cant rebound very well, and cant play D.
If he shot like Shawn Marion he would be burned at the stake. If he ever airballed 2 Free throws in a row ala Blake Griffin, he would be castrated because he does not have their ability. But he is arguably the best 3 point shooter in the league when left open. Arguably. He gets it off fairly quickly but, 3 pointer under pressure, no.
Disagree.
1. Blair's role is a role that can't really hurt the Spurs too much. He basically just starts each half and sometimes plays in the second quarter if he did well in his first stint or there's foul trouble.
2. Yeah, Blair's poor plus/minus is worrisome but Nazr Mohammad played the same role and had a bad plus/minus during the 2005 championship run and it didn't really hurt the Spurs.
3. Blair has shown some glimpses of not suc bing to pressure. In fact, outside of Manu, Blair was the only player to have a positive plus/minus against the Grizzlies last season.
4. Bonner's role as being the bigman next to Duncan in the clutch allows him to be much more damaging than anything Blair can do in his current role. Bonner can literally lose playoff games. Even if Blair sucks, it's pretty difficult to be the culprit of a playoff loss when he sits out the final 18 minutes of the game.
I'm not arguing that Blair is better than Bonner, I just disagree that he's more of a liability to the team.
Brown pushes buttons on players that he thinks are talented. He hounded Sean without mercy. Sean took it personally. The best coaches know how to push the right buttons on specific individuals, Phil Jackson being the master. Larry Brown teaches basketball, but has no time for relating to individuals. Which is part of the reason why he is a nomad.
-Dr. Phil again.
I like him as a person. He seems cool. Are some of you seriously using his skin and hair color as reasons? Haha, you guys.
I will admit his shooting form is awkward. I mean, I'm a big white guy, but I can at least shoot a ball with traditional form.
...But then I remember that Bonner is an NBA player, and I'm not. So he would probably kick my ass.
2012 Richard Jefferson = Matt Bonner clone = Didn't have a ton of fans
This doesn't have a damn thing to do with skin color. It's about production. You don't see very many her criticizing Splitter. As a matter of fact, many on here would like to sacrifice Bonner's minutes in order to get Splitter time alongside of Duncan. Most posters have been begging for Pop to do so.
Therefore, that racial angle is a moot one.
I'm not sure i'm buying what you're selling. I'd have to believe that insulting a players' racial makeup is now used as a basketball motivational tool.
Ginobili and Tiago are both white boys and everybody loves them lol.
It is for Brown imo. I would almost guarantee Brown got on Iverson about his playground game. "You wanna be just another ________ from the hood just doing as you please."
I have to believe something similar to this was said.
Brown probably got away with quite a bit of this technique because players probably dont see Brown as a racist. Sean does not have the cultural nuances of the sterotyped NBA African American and had probably been kidded about it many times by teammates. And I bet it really got Sean hacked and probably even pouted.
My product based on my experiences and a little background into the North Carolina lineage of coaches of which Brown is somewhat of a maverick.
-are ya buyin Ms. Cleo(me)?
I don't want to blame Bonner too much. He seems to be a real team player and a hard worker. We all know he has a number of flaws, but at least he's a known en y.
Most of the blame falls on Pop. It is his decision to give him such a huge role on the team year after year. I hate saying this, because there is way too much Pop hating on this board, but his stubbornness in regards to Bonner is both bizarre and exhausting to Spurs fans.
I guess that I'm just going to be beating a dead horse at this point, but here goes:
Matt Bonner is extremely one-dimensional on the offensive end, in that all he can really do well is shoot threes. He can't handle (and thus, he can't drive the ball), he doesn't have particularly good court vision, and his passing isn't anything to really write home about, and, due to the fact that he's always hanging out near the three-point line, he doesn't get any offensive rebounds. Not to mention that you can't count on him making shots because even the best three-point shooters in the Association are going to miss more often than someone who can convert up close to the rim, so, while that 6 PPG looks in 18 MPG looks great, it's fools gold, because you can't count on him for 6 PPG consistently (some games, he'll get you 15, and the next one he'll put up zeroes across the board). And, as someone else mentioned, when he does miss, the rebound is going to be a long one that a smaller, much quicker player can get and just beat Bonner in a race to the other basket, and get easy points.
Plus, all of that is assuming he can even get his shot off: while he's listed at 6'10", he shoots from an almost squatting position while launching from his shoulder, so it is a much easier shot to block than it should be, considering how tall he is. So, if someone closes out on him correctly, he becomes completely neutralized, and thus just about completely useless. Contrast this with Horry, who shot from an upright position and launched from his forehead, at 6'10", making it so that his shot was almost impossible to block (see: Game 5, 2005 Finals when he shot over Rasheed Wallace).
That is how he's like on the offensive end; the end he is BETTER on.
Defensively, while he can use his slightly underrated bulk to perform nearly-adequate post defense (and he can't even do that consistently), he's not quick enough to stay in front of more athletic players, he's not long enough to challenge ANY shot from another PF, and he's not intimidating enough to play good help defense at the rim (in part, because of the other limitations already listed). And, even if someone misses the shot, Bonner lacks the ability to adequately box out his counterpart and the athleticism to just go up and get it, which leads to him not being able to grab the board in traffic (a very underrated skill), and that leads to more second chances for the other team. And, as has been pointed out, he really is not good in making rotations, so you have that on top of everything else.
And that is just during the regular season. Perhaps his worst flaw is that he's a notorious playoff choker, and that is absolutely unforgivable in a league where over half the teams make the playoffs. The regular season doesn't matter all that much, and when the "real" season starts, he pulls a Houdini and disappears in front of our eyes.
All in all, Bonner's a very one-dimensional player whose lone dimension is just about neutralized relatively easily, especially when teams can form a gameplan against you like they can in the playoffs.
Yet, despite all of this, he still is in the rotation for a team that is in contention (or close to it) to win the championship every year, and he is consistently a liability in that pursuit.
That is why Bonner is disliked.
PS: I'm sorry for the length; people don't usually like reading essays; just felt like I had to get that out of my system.
Not quite yet.
You've told us Brown got on Iverson to cut out the _______ nuances, yet chided Sean (along with teammates apparently) for not acting more like ________?
Sounds like Brown is a tad two faced.
First of all I don't think any dislikes Bonner on a personal level. Hes a funny guy and probably a good teammate to have around.
Some of the Bonner hate is justified but some of it is not. For example, Bonner being a known choker makes you wonder why hes in the rotation at all. But that's really on Pop because Bonner is Bonner.
Whatever it takes to get into a players head and under their "skin". You can go either way. I would not be surprised if he told a white player he did not have the ability to go playground or conversely tell him he played like a stiff if he thought he was athletically talented.
Whatever to piss the player off. Take on any face you want.
-Sigmund Freud
Fans have their favorites and their goats. In the heat of the moment this weekend, OKC and Dallas I read posts people talking about getting rid of TP when he is by far the best player on the team and having an MVP season. I'd say why do so many people hate Blair. Neither he or Bonner are the prototypical power forward and each are liabilities against prototypical power forwards but they both bring somthing to the table. That being said Ginger and Blair rarely get praise on this board. Blair had a monster game in OKC and yet he was only reluctantly given any praise at all. Yet some (ahem Splitter) can garner more praise for running up and down the court twice without tripping over his own feet, because he moves just like Wilt. Seriously it seemed like there were more Pro Splitter posts in a game he only played two minutes than there were Pro Blair ones in the OKC game where he put up the best numbers you could expect from him. I want all the Spurs to succeed b/c that will get us another couple of les. I like Splitter and I think part of his appeal is he is more what we expect from a PF. I hate it when a 6'11" guy puts up too many threes, b/c growing up that is not what power forwards did when I was growing up, but I can't deny it is what makes Dirk and Durant special and a matchup nightmare.
if he would rebound and if he would stop someone on d
he has what 2 blocks all year
you don't think that in a game like last night against Dallas for example Blair had more to do with the loss than Bonner? Imho he was so poor in both the first and third quarters that it put the team in too big of a hole to recover in the second and fourth. Obviously Manu and Tony didn't help matters at all, but I thought Blair was pretty horrendous.
^This.
And to the OP, I'm not particularly impressed with his team defense either. I've watched him too many times completely miss rotations.
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