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sorry you feel that way - I'll try harder next time
Imo, if it's not 100% literal truth, then it's 100% bull . The Bible makes it clear that Jesus spoke in parables. The book of Genesis is no parable and was included on purpose.
I'm simply wondering what parts of the Bible you feel should not be taken literally, and why should those parts not be taken literal yet Jesus's miracles should.
I'd also like to see a "credible" pastor's Bible and see if he/she crossed out the non-literal parts. Please provide such a pastors name. Thanks.
sorry you feel that way - I'll try harder next time
Was Islam attacking Christianity?
This is another "No true Scotsman" fallacy.
Religion is as religion does.
your anecdotal evidences "I don't personally know anyone who..."
I didn't say you hide from it. I say you hide it.
Again, you are too lazy to read and understand. It's no wonder Jesus had to teach in parables.
so then matt knew the mind of god? or are you going to use the old catholic excuse of the tongue of god?
then of course there is the method of the books being chosen the nature of christ's divinity which was in question up until Nestorian schism in the 6th century. it goes on and on.
the fundamental difference i see is that while you believe that jesus was the son of god, i think he was the son of joseph and a mazmer. thats why they made up the story because how are they going to sell that to the near east or the romans when he had no patriarch in reality. because of their asinine religious doctrine jesus' own people would not accept joseph as his father.
so since you take matt at his word what about paul? what about all that stuff he claims in timothy and romans that people do not follow in terms of submission to authority and the treatment of women? oh and what parts of the OT can we ignore and which ones do we have to accept?
He seems to think Jesus wrote a book. He fails to get that back in those times, only the "pious" were allowed to read the holy books and others had to take their piety as God given.
It's all part of God's plan.
If you knew God you would know.
we're on 2 different pages - I believe that the Bible is the inspired Word of God. I believe that it is indeed 100% truth and if not, then it wouldn't be the inspired Word of God or God would be fallible. Each chapter and verse should examined based on the context of the time, the style and imagery being used. There were 40 authors of the 66 books in the Bible - different writers have different writing styles, but the message as a whole is consistent.
Here's a pretty good explanation of what I'm talking about:
http://www.equip.org/bible_answers/w...ble-literally-
Actually, the words spoken in Matthew 25:41 are Christ's.
Christ's divinity is present throughout the New Testament - I'm not sure why it's questioned, but oh well.
As far as what Paul said, what exactly are you referring to? The treatment of women? - please give a verse.
What parts of the OT do we ignore?
I guess I don't - please explain the difference between the theory of evolution and evolution itself.
What examples of evolution produced in a lab are there?
Matt wrote it? So at the time of writing it he understood the mind of god? or was god just using him like a pencil.
And a consistent message? Yeah Deuteronomy and Leviticus jives so very well with the Gospels.
For that matter the God of David jives so well with the God of the Levites versus the God of Kings. gmfb
that you think theyre constant just goes to show how deluded you are. the God of the OT reads like Greek mythology and has about just as much validity.
You really believe that Noah on Sinai actually saw a burning bush that talked to him and told him that rule of law? and that the tower of babel was actually being built? and that God really wanted people to bring animal sacrifices to his priests that they were to prepare and eat on his behalf?
If you're looking for me to rationalize or approve the Crusades, I can stop you there and say that I don't think it was a war based on the teachings of Christ.
Matt wrote it? So at the time of writing it he understood the mind of god? or was god just using him like a pencil.
And a consistent message? Yeah Deuteronomy and Leviticus jives so very well with the Gospels.
For that matter the God of David jives so well with the God of the Levites versus the God of Kings. gmfb
that you think theyre constant just goes to show how deluded you are. the God of the OT reads like Greek mythology and has about just as much validity.
You really believe that Noah on Sinai actually saw a burning bush that talked to him and told him that rule of law? and that the tower of babel was actually being built? and that God really wanted people to bring animal sacrifices to his priests that they were to prepare and eat on his behalf?
Yes I believe that the Old Testament is true and even more remarkable, I believe that an all knowing and all powerful God created the universe - much less a burning bush.
I guess I should have explained further - these are the words that were heard from Christ by Matthew.
hurtful words, so hurtfulThis is another "No true Scotsman" fallacy.
Religion is as religion does.
I didn't say you hide from it. I say you hide it.
Again, you are too lazy to read and understand. It's no wonder Jesus had to teach in parables.
So why are there obvious contradictions even in context?
so what about most of what paul wrote, the levites, deuteronomy, etc where various priests have spoken in God's name? what do you think a prophet is?
that whole rhetoric is great social control. it basically coopts those not of the priest class. believeing that allows them to be the arbiters and you well you cannot possibly know .
do you also believe that you are some sort of sinful wretch that needs the grace of God? you seem like a good little minion.
There should be a subforum for this.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/...n-the-lab.html
Bacteria make major evolutionary shift in the lab
This should interest you since your theist scientist is also working with colon bacteria.
There is. I was certain it would have been moved at least 5 pages ago.
this article references the mutation of the bacteria, but is there proof of evolution from one species to another in the lab?
Malaria is another good example of mutation or adaption and if you want to call it evolution, fine. It's an example of microevolution, but what about macroevolution if evolution is a fact?
You are not familiar with 1st and 2nd Timothy? 1st Corinthians? Leviticus Deuteronomy?
Hers Paul in one:
Leviticus is full of all kinds of fun stuff. Lets see most of the beginning is what you are supposed to bring the priests. moses was setting himslef up phat
I lke this one cause its basically take all the bad and burn it but the rest you give to us. Mose... err God sure loves that smell.
Leviticus 4 has what i like to call the room service clause. If they need to they can just ring up God and the minions will bring a cow
Chapter 11 has all the eating prohibitions those are ignored13 “‘If the whole Israelite community sins unintentionally and does what is forbidden in any of the LORD’s commands, even though the community is unaware of the matter, when they realize their guilt 14 and the sin they committed becomes known, the assembly must bring a young bull as a sin offering and present it before the tent of meeting. 15 The elders of the community are to lay their hands on the bull’s head before the LORD, and the bull shall be slaughtered before the LORD. 16 Then the anointed priest is to take some of the bull’s blood into the tent of meeting. 17 He shall dip his finger into the blood and sprinkle it before the LORD seven times in front of the curtain. 18 He is to put some of the blood on the horns of the altar that is before the LORD in the tent of meeting. The rest of the blood he shall pour out at the base of the altar of burnt offering at the entrance to the tent of meeting. 19 He shall remove all the fat from it and burn it on the altar, 20 and do with this bull just as he did with the bull for the sin offering. In this way the priest will make atonement for the community, and they will be forgiven. 21 Then he shall take the bull outside the camp and burn it as he burned the first bull. This is the sin offering for the community.
And a lot of it invokes God. Its pretty clear that
Basically throughotu it all he says that if you are unclean you are to be quarantined most all of it is ignore d except the patrilineal phobic stuff 18 is widely quoted all the timeThe LORD said to Moses and Aaron, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When any man has an unusual bodily discharge, such a discharge is unclean. 3 Whether it continues flowing from his body or is blocked, it will make him unclean. This is how his discharge will bring about uncleanness:
16 “‘When a man has an emission of semen, he must bathe his whole body with water, and he will be unclean till evening. 17 Any clothing or leather that has semen on it must be washed with water, and it will be unclean till evening. 18 When a man has sexual relations with a woman and there is an emission of semen, both of them must bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.
But even that now is being ignored. Thats where you get the accusations of picking and choosing.1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘I am the LORD your God. 3 You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices. 4 You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I am the LORD your God. 5 Keep my decrees and laws, for the person who obeys them will live by them. I am the LORD.
6 “‘No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the LORD.
7 “‘Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.
8 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s wife; that would dishonor your father.
9 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere.
10 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your son’s daughter or your daughter’s daughter; that would dishonor you.
11 “‘Do not have sexual relations with the daughter of your father’s wife, born to your father; she is your sister.
12 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s sister; she is your father’s close relative.
13 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your mother’s sister, because she is your mother’s close relative.
14 “‘Do not dishonor your father’s brother by approaching his wife to have sexual relations; she is your aunt.
15 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law. She is your son’s wife; do not have relations with her.
16 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your brother’s wife; that would dishonor your brother.
17 “‘Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter. Do not have sexual relations with either her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter; they are her close relatives. That is wickedness.
18 “‘Do not take your wife’s sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living.
19 “‘Do not approach a woman to have sexual relations during the uncleanness of her monthly period.
20 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your neighbor’s wife and defile yourself with her.
21 “‘Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molek, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the LORD.
22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
23 “‘Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.
24 “‘Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. 25 Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. 26 But you must keep my decrees and my laws. The native-born and the foreigners residing among you must not do any of these detestable things, 27 for all these things were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled. 28 And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you.
29 “‘Everyone who does any of these detestable things—such persons must be cut off from their people. 30 Keep my requirements and do not follow any of the detestable customs that were practiced before you came and do not defile yourselves with them. I am the LORD your God.’”
Evolution is a fact. You just said so.
The rest is just quibbling over semantics.
Wish Tim would chime in.
He's probably got better things to do though.
Shucks.
1 Corithians 14:34-35 - my understanding is that Paul is specifically addressing the church in Corinth regarding a problem with women causing disruption during their meeting. vs. 37 is not tied directly with 34 & 35, but for the chapter and the letter all together.
This doesn't mean that women were unequal or lesser than men - Galatians (written by Paul) 3:28 - There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Also, in Romans 16 Paul talks about and thanks all the women that have helped him. This is during a time where all of civilization treated women as 2nd class citizens, but Paul is commending them with much gra ude. If the apostles considered women 2nd class citizens, why were Mary and Mary Magdalene mentioned in Matthew as the first to see Jesus after his resurrection?
As far as the sacrifices and laws from the Old Testament that you mention as being ignored, they're not. Christ fulfilled the law - Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Those ceremonies and those rules that you mentioned were fulfilled by the atonement of sins by Christ - Romans 6:14 - For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Different cir stances for Israel in the Old Testament versus the Jews and the early church during the time of Jesus' life and after his death. God was in more contact with his people and that is why I believe that worship was more severe and physical in purpose.
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