Study shows birth control saves taxpayer money

[Winehole23]

But there are a handful of reasons why I object to this particular program. They don't have anything to do with hating women, or poor people, or people of color, or any of the other scapegoat slogans being tossed around. Once again, I think it would be worthwhile for people to listen, instead of instantly demonizing the people who don't agree.

What are the reasons?

[MannyIsGod]

Studies show that it would save tax payers if there weren't social programs

Links?

The whole crux of this thread is that this line of thinking is completely wrong and you think to come in and post it as some sort of retort?

Mind blowing.

[MannyIsGod]

I'll save you the work, because I doubt you know how to use Excel:



It doesn't surprise me. You are always saying stupid things like accusing me of not understanding thermodynamics, but then not saying what part you think I don't understand. Maybe you know I would prove your stupid ass wrong if you made a specific allegation.

Congrats on your mastering of using the menus in Excel.

The trend is still up.

[RandomGuy]

Studies show that it would save tax payers if there weren't social programs

[RandomGuy]

I would however, point out that cutting social programs would shrink the economy.

Eliminating them all tomorrow would plunge the US into an instant recession, if not an outright depression on a scale unseen since 1929.

[RandomGuy]

I'll save you the work, because I doubt you know how to use Excel:

Excel smack?

Really?

[Winehole23]

...an outright depression on a scale unseen since 1929.

The condition we're in now, though no longer technically a recession, is still pretty bad.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm

http://danielamerman.com/articles/2012/WorkC.html

[RandomGuy]

RG, nevermind. I read a bunch of articles and concluded it's impossible to determine that crime has been reduced because of legalized abortions. In fact some stats say violent crimes have gone up since that decision and some stats say people don't report certain crimes anymore. Best results i found confirming your opinion is crime has gone down 2 percent overall. With all that said, impossible to conclude roe vs wade had anything to do with crime. If anything that decision probably saved hundreds of women lives per year and killed over 50 millions babies. God bless.

Meh. You looked up articles on websites you agree with, and ignored anything that didn't fit into your worldview, I would guess.

Pardon me if I don't take your word for anything. Vishnus blessings upon you.

[RandomGuy]

You do realize that correlation doesn't prove a cause/effect relationship? Strike that - I know you understand it.

Are you open minded enough to at least listen to some reasons why the studies are skewed? (I think intentionally so.) I'm not talking about pitting this study vs. that study, or quoting some conservative blog with its own agenda. And I'm not even saying that there is not truth to the idea that unwanted kids commit more crimes. I just don't like skewed studies - even when they try to confirm something on "my side" of the fence. Yep, I know it's hard to believe, but I get just as pissed about the manipulative, bull right-wing "studies" where the conclusion is decided before the study is done.

All I'm saying is that even if there was a real world cause/effect relationship between Roe v Wade and the drop in violent crime, it is VASTLY over-stated by the studies.

One reason the "Roe effect" carries so much weight is because it is logical. Unwanted kids commit more crime. Let me ask you this, as long as we're turning what seems logical into reality. When this new free-birth-control-for-all goes into effect, isn't it logical that there should be a HUGE drop in the number of abortions across the country? And shouldn't the reduction in abortions be especially large in those urban areas where, logically, more women can't afford contraception? I'll make a friendly wager that it doesn't work out that way.

Free birth control is merely a policy proposal, not anything that has passed into law. So far as I know, it isn't even a bill being considered.

At this point, I would not say any such program would see a HUGE drop in abortions.

Measurable, I would bet for, but huge I would not.

That is another factor to consider.

If one hates abortions, one should want free birth control for all women.

If one hates taxes, one should want free birth control for all women.

[Winehole23]

rational self-interest and conscience are not always congruent. moral or spiritual commitments sometimes conflict with rational expedience.