How’s that GM Bailout working out...

[clambake]

That duramax is a of a stout truck. A buddy of mine pulls a 6 horse slant with a huge living quarters on it with one...don't know how much that bad boy weighs loaded but it's almost 40 feet long.

pretty decent ground clearance from the factory already built in.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Now I feel as though I am arguing with Mr. Spock...

All us folks (who don’t believe what Government tells us to believe) are saying is that Government Motors should payback their bailout before they go spending billions of tax payers money in foreign countries…Its like taking a loan from your parents for a down payment on a house and then going out & purchasing a new car before you settled your debt….

So if they can't make a profit how are they going to pay us back? If they go bankrupt we get nothing..so shouldn't they be allowed to invest so they can pay us back?

The govt said they still owe us money.. is the govt lying about this?

actually a better anology would be your parents loan you money and before you fully pay them back you invest in your home... you still continue to pay them back... why is this hard for you to comprehend? sleepy?

[clambake]

If gas goes to 5 dollars a gallon come to Orange or Burbank CA…We have lots of ka-boys out here… (Not real cowboys)…Who purchase 50k trucks then add 20k in accessories…Big tires, lift kits, chrome brush guards, DVD, Sound systems…There were 100’s for sale, the owners just asking to take over payments…If I wouldn’t feel so ridiculous driving such a monstrosity to StarBucs for my morning Carmel Macchiato I would I bought one….

i wouldn't do any of that on a car or truck.

[CosmicCowboy]

i wouldn't do any of that on a car or truck.

Eh, I usually put a brush guard and steps on mine...the brush guard keeps pigs/deer from ing up the truck when you hit em.

[clambake]

Eh, I usually put a brush guard and steps on mine...the brush guard keeps pigs/deer from ing up the truck when you hit em.

gonna use my truck to plow down lamar odom. i want his face print right on the steel.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Eh, I usually put a brush guard and steps on mine...the brush guard keeps pigs/deer from ing up the truck when you hit em.

that's what I need to do to my Nissan

[Sportcamper]

i wouldn't do any of that sht on a car or truck.

Some folks like big tires, lift kits, chrome brush guards, DVD w/ navigation and Sound systems…Some folks like a big pile of rattle snake rattles in the coffee holder…I don’t judge…

[TeyshaBlue]

Now I feel as though I am arguing with Mr. Spock...

All us folks (who don’t believe what Government tells us to believe) are saying is that Government Motors should payback their bailout before they go spending billions of tax payers money in foreign countries…Its like taking a loan from your parents for a down payment on a house and then going out & purchasing a new car before you settled your debt….

There's a little problem called profitablitly. They actually have to earn money to repay money.

Just sitting on a pile of cash while letting the company's product line stagnate, which was part of what caused it's bankruptcy to begin with, is not a viable way to repay a debt.

[clambake]

Some folks like big tires, lift kits, chrome brush guards, DVD w/ navigation and Sound systems…Some folks like a big pile of rattle snake rattles in the coffee holder…I don’t judge…

[TeyshaBlue]

gonna use my truck to plow down lamar odom. i want his face print right on the steel.

That would double his rebound total from last night's game.

[TeyshaBlue]

just got back from looking at a gmc 4x4 duramax 6.6 diesel turbo, i think.

does that sound familiar?

Elitist!

[clambake]

Elitist!

soon, i'll make you a great deal on a brand new, slightly damaged truck.

[Drachen]

Sportcamper... do you have a loan for a house/boat/car/anything?


Now, do you have any money in savings/retirement/etc?

If so, FOR SHAME! You should be taking all of that money and dumping it onto your loans.

[Sportcamper]

George- What you don’t get is that Government Motors continues the reckless behavior that got them in trouble in the first place…Over extending themselves, bonuses for executives and now the factory workers, too many car models and huge investments in countries that could care less if they go belly up…

Take care of your financial obligations to the USA taxpayers
and THEN continue the reckless behavior…

[TeyshaBlue]

Their model count is actually waay down from the last decade. Remember, Olds, Saturn and Pontiac? Adios Muchacho.
And Saab to boot.

GM seems to be reacting to market trends much quicker, tbh, and their model developement cycle is much quicker now that they have embraced the global architecture design route. I don't see much in the way of recklessness with GM these days and I'm, at least, a very interested spectator.

[boutons_deux]

Chevy's model count seems to be way up.

[TeyshaBlue]

Their domestic small car lineup is really expanding.

[TeyshaBlue]

Spark, Cruze, Volt, and Sonic. I can't remember a time when they had this many small cars offered. Similarly, these have dissappeared from the other divisions although Buick does have a model based on the same platform as the Cruze.

[boutons_deux]

And they have sucky gas mileage for small cars.

Small cars should be approaching 40 mpg.

[TeyshaBlue]

Sonic - 40mpg
Cruze - 42mpg
Spark - 44 mpg
Volt - A bazillion mpg.

Not exactly sucky, dude.

[CosmicCowboy]

Sonic - 40mpg
Cruze - 42mpg
Spark - 44 mpg
Volt - A bazillion mpg.

Not exactly sucky, dude.

The problem is, they relatively speaking don't make on those cars...maybe a thousand or two, unlike the tens of thousands they make on full size trucks and suv's. I still say $4 gas is gonna kick GM's ass just like it did in 2008.

[TeyshaBlue]

I think their margin is going to improve on smaller cars now that they are doing a much better job of leveraging their global platforms and refining the design process. I'd wait and see before pronouncing death just yet.....

[TeyshaBlue]

A gateway is just as important as a margin....

http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...-buyers-return

[Wild Cobra]

You know GM has a pretty serious market share in Australia, right?

Global companies do that.

I'll bet it's the only operation making a decent profit right now.

[Wild Cobra]

Sonic - 40mpg
Cruze - 42mpg
Spark - 44 mpg
Volt - A bazillion mpg.

Not exactly sucky, dude.

Any idea how well the Volt works when you need to use the defrosters?