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    I'm with EVAY. If I get a terminal illness I'm punching out on my own terms before my wife/kids have to change my diaper and wipe the off my ass.

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    Cancer vs heart disease is an apples and oranges comparison. I can understand not wanting to go through cancer treatments over and over, knowing that you're never going to be rid of the disease once it has metastasised. I'd personally take the 70% shot at an extra 5 years with the heart transplant every time though.

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    I'm with EVAY. If I get a terminal illness I'm punching out on my own terms before my wife/kids have to change my diaper and wipe the off my ass.
    Amen!!

    There is no dignity in living too long and simply using up resources.

    Go out on your own terms, if possible.

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    Cancer vs heart disease is an apples and oranges comparison. I can understand not wanting to go through cancer treatments over and over, knowing that you're never going to be rid of the disease once it has metastasised. I'd personally take the 70% shot at an extra 5 years with the heart transplant every time though.
    You are probably young enough that this makes sense.

    I'm not.

    I certainly support your right to make whatever choice you want to make, though.

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    Is a heart transplant patient only capable of staying in a bed and being a burden to his family? Not trying to be sarcastic or anything, I don't know. If that's what those next 5+ years would be then I would understand the stance better. If I could drive, walk short distances, and do simple tasks like that then I would take the years.

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    Is a heart transplant patient only capable of staying in a bed and being a burden to his family? Not trying to be sarcastic or anything, I don't know. If that's what those next 5+ years would be then I would understand the stance better. If I could drive, walk short distances, and do simple tasks like that then I would take the years.
    Then you have made an informed decision...at least you have now considered it. Again, I really believe you have a right to make that decision.

    I didn't take your comments as sarcasm...these are some of the most important decisions any of us will ever make in our lives.

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    Is a heart transplant patient only capable of staying in a bed and being a burden to his family? Not trying to be sarcastic or anything, I don't know. If that's what those next 5+ years would be then I would understand the stance better. If I could drive, walk short distances, and do simple tasks like that then I would take the years.
    It's the odds. But once you put yourself back in the system and you get bad results (lets say one throws a clot and strokes out to vegetative state) you have taken away your control of the situation...you are stuck in life support purgatory/ and your family is along for the ride.

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    It also depends on your financial situation. if I had to exhaust my retirement savings to extend my life marginally a few years of less than quality life leaving my wife penniless I would probably refuse to do it.

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    It's the odds. But once you put yourself back in the system and you get bad results (lets say one throws a clot and strokes out to vegetative state) you have taken away your control of the situation...you are stuck in life support purgatory/ and your family is along for the ride.
    I would definitely want the plug pulled if the surgery goes wrong and that's the result, and would let it be known to everyone before the surgery.

    It also depends on your financial situation. if I had to exhaust my retirement savings to extend my life marginally a few years of less than quality life leaving my wife penniless I would probably refuse to do it.
    Yeah, that's an objection I would understand, especially if there is little to no chance of a reasonable quality of life after.

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    Then you have made an informed decision...at least you have now considered it. Again, I really believe you have a right to make that decision.

    I didn't take your comments as sarcasm...these are some of the most important decisions any of us will ever make in our lives.
    Alright, EVAY.

    I support one's right to die or to be euthanized (though definitely after a cooling off period in the second case).

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    It also depends on your financial situation. if I had to exhaust my retirement savings to extend my life marginally a few years of less than quality life leaving my wife penniless I would probably refuse to do it.
    Agree. I leave the pot for my family if it came down to it. My worst fear is a situation where my last years are spent being dependent on others for my ADLs. I'll pass on that.

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    My question would be this.

    Is he the only good match from the donor, or did his status as former VP make a difference?

    I have a problem with the elderly getting organ transplants over younger people. I don't care who they are. It shouldn't matter.

    Not saying it did, but I have a strong su ion...
    Vice President Cheney was on the transplant list for 20 months. In an article I read, more than 380 people, over the age of 65, received heart transplants annually. The procedure has improved dramatically and is not as risky as it once was. 88% survive a year, 75% over 5 years, at 10 years it drop to about 55%.

    If he was shown preferential treatment you can bet your ass there's no evidence of it but, since he waited 20 months, I'm thinking they jumped through all the right hoops and he waited like everyone else.

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    Is a heart transplant patient only capable of staying in a bed and being a burden to his family? Not trying to be sarcastic or anything, I don't know. If that's what those next 5+ years would be then I would understand the stance better. If I could drive, walk short distances, and do simple tasks like that then I would take the years.
    Actually, his health is probably going to improve dramatically with the new heart. Especially if it was his heart failure that was the most significant health issue.

    (Jeb) Bush/Cheney in 2016!

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    I'm a cracker for Cheney!

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    (Jeb) Bush/Cheney in 2016!
    I would absolutely love to see them run together!

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    Is a heart transplant patient only capable of staying in a bed and being a burden to his family? Not trying to be sarcastic or anything, I don't know. If that's what those next 5+ years would be then I would understand the stance better. If I could drive, walk short distances, and do simple tasks like that then I would take the years.
    If everything goes well, people live normal lives post-transplant.

    As for Cheney, I thought you actually had to have a heart in the first place to get a transplant.

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    Actually, his health is probably going to improve dramatically with the new heart. Especially if it was his heart failure that was the most significant health issue.

    (Jeb) Bush/Cheney in 2016!
    LOL...

    How about Cheney/Bush, J.

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    As for Cheney, I thought you actually had to have a heart in the first place to get a transplant.
    Tee-Hee

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