I guess you think it has a longer half-life than most people.
I think mostly all can agree that "reasonable su ion" is a very, very vague standard, especially when it's left to the interpretation of the general population.
I don't know what happened in this case, or if we'll ever know. But what I get out of it is that there's no place for such vague wording in laws that deal with life and death. It's truly a testament to the reactionary, knee-jerk political climate we live in.
I guess you think it has a longer half-life than most people.
Not really. I'm sure many here know exactly what it means and are reminded of the entertainment your own stalking provided us.
"Learn when to shut up! There are certain things you cannot defend. Not only that, it shreds your credibility because when you don't know how to shut up and you try to defend the indefensible, when the moment comes when there is something viable to defend, nobody wants to hear you because you were blowing smoke into the wind."
- Steven A. Smith
Great quote. He wasn't taking about the Trayvon case but I thought it applies well with the idiots of this thread.
Agreed.
It looks like to (uneducated) me like Jeb is wrong though, and this is exactly what the law does allow for.
Eh, my kids are named Jacob and Devin, which isn't very Latino eitherGeorge Zimmerman. His dad's name is Robert Zimmerman.
For a latino family, they sure hate spanish
me picking on Darrin shows a lack of consistency? I would say just the opposite...
With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk, leaving him bloody and battered, law-enforcement authorities told the Orlando Sentinel.
That is the account Zimmerman gave police, and much of it has been corroborated by witnesses, authorities say. There have been no reports that a witness saw the initial punch Zimmerman told police about.
Zimmerman has not spoken publicly about what happened Feb. 26. But that night, and in later meetings, he described and re-enacted for police what he says took place.
In his version of events, Zimmerman had turned around and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from behind, the two exchanged words and then Trayvon punched him in the nose, sending him to the ground, and began beating him.http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...black-teenagerPolice have been reluctant to provide details about their evidence.
But after the Sentinel story appeared online Monday morning, City Manager Norton Bonaparte Jr. issued a news release, saying there would be an internal-affairs investigation into the source of the leak and, if identified, the person or people involved would be disciplined.
He did not challenge the accuracy of the information.
140 lb, on-foot Martin was just Standing His Ground against a 240 lb stalker/agressor/confrontor.
To start this business with Martin on top of and beating the greasy frijoles out of the b3@ner is of course profoundly dishonest, but that's how the right-wing rolls.
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b3@ner smack? that just how boutons rolls...
Mother Seeks Trayvon Martin Trademarks
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if the police had arrested zimmerman and conducted the appropriate investigation / tests immediately, this would not have become the storm that it has. Even with the stand your ground law (which I dont agree with at all, like Nono says you cant have such a vaguely worded law period, especially not when it pertains to life/death scenarios), there should have been an investigation to determine what actually happened.
Since there wasnt, the only facts that people have are that a grown man shot and killed an unarmed minor, and that grown man did not get arrested, interrogated or investigated by the police. The fact that some people aren't scandalized by that either indicates 1) they have no children or common sense 2) They believe zimmerman's version of the story despite no police investigation to corroborate it.
Add the vigilante angle, and I dont see how zimmerman and/or the local police will be able to stick to their original story of self defense. IMO, at this point the question is if they go down together or if one can lay it off on the other.
wow boutons racist true colors are showing up
btw, when are you scheduled to make an appearance in court as an eyewitness?
don't forget the media and politician circus have turned the police investigation up into a hate crime
Long article. Trayvon also allegedly suspended from school another time for having a burglary tool and women's jewelry in his backpack.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...lary-tool.html
beg pardon, but so what?
My Brother, the wheels are off. We heard about Zimmerman and his not so flattering background and now it's martins turn. Watch that black panther video. Sharpton and Jackson are involved now, the mother is attempting to trademark her son, Obama weighed in, this thing is out of control and people are raising the bar everyday without blinking. God bless.
Did Trayvon Martin shoot anyone?My Brother, the wheels are off. We heard about Zimmerman and his not so flattering background and now it's martins turn.
understand the for tat nature of public ciontroversies, but the intended thrust of my question was: how is Trayvon Martin's background relevant to him getting shot, or to Zimmerman shooting him?
It's not. It might be if there was something really egregious there and Zimmerman had foreknowledge of that, but that's the only possible scenario that I can see where that would be relevant.
Martin's school history is irrelevant, and he has no assaulting-police, mug shots, or arrest history, like Z does, all of which is relevant to understanding Z's self-annointed vigilante crusading against "young black males" that his friends say he is obsessed with.
Martin's past does not have any relevance to the events that happened the night he was shot. Zimmerman had no knowledge of Martin and his suspensions. This is simply the more conservative media reversing the liberal media's tactics in this case by trying to sway the public who have very little patience for facts and due process.
After reading what I can find on the case, if the police reports are found to be true, there was no reason to arrest Zimmerman. The Florida law is clear that if a shooter alleges self-defense and the theory of self defense is supported by a witness, the police cannot, without probable cause to doubt the witness or facts surrouding self defense, arrest the shooter.
It appears from the police report that Zimmerman did nothing illegal. Having said that, this does not mean that Florida should not revisit their stand your ground law.
TBH I don't think it would be relevant even then. I certainly don't see Zimmerman having foreknowledge affecting what he did. He pretty much assumed Treyvon was a miscreant from the beginning.
Neither of the past criminal or non-criminal history will matter in this case with regard to either person. Calling the police to report potential crimes, assaulting a bus driver, none of it matters.
The me, the case will turn on whether Martin did attack Zimmerman, and if Zimmerman was justified in using deadly force in self-defense. Its actually a very simple case, which the media, both left and right, is trying to complicate. I call it a case but my guess is that unless the police report proves to be false, or unless there is another smoking gun, the case will never go to trial because under Florida Law, Zimmerman did not commit a crime. Those are big "ifs".
Whereas the personal background of the shooter may be relevant to the official investigation and is a legit topic of public interest, Trayvon Martin's disciplinary record at school isn't.
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