Kobe was a role player when Shaq was around. A great role player, like Pippen, but there's no doubt (at the time) who the franchise, dominant player was.
Fair enough. How about we try this. These are just a few of the players that TD had to face at his position which happen to be pretty solid defensive players in their careers.
Ben Wallace, Marcus Camby, Kenyon Martin, Dikembe Mutombo, Kevin Garnett, Shaquille O'neal, Pau Gasol, Rasheed Wallace, Arvidas Sabonis, Antonio McDyess, Robert Horry.
That is all I know off the top of my head btw. There are probably more.
Are you ing re ed?
'01: 29.4-7.3-6.1-.469%
'02: 26.6-5.8-4.6-.434%
'01 WCF vs YOUR SPURS
33.3-7.0-7.0-51%
Led the team in 4th quarter scoring both years, some role player
Kobe: 5
the tired old bag Duncan: 4
Both have 4 championships as a superstar caliber player.
Duncan has the extra Finals MVP, but Kobe's 3 extra Finals trips and '00 ring off sets that, and the fact that he repeated multiple times
that's why I said they can never be compared because is easier for a guard just to shot from the top unlike Tim he had to actually work for his points. A perfect example is Dirk Nowitzki, he's always camping at top of the key for an easy basket.
2, I don't do all that ancillary materiel. I was brought up on ring count because it was at the end of the '60s and I was facing a 50foot tidal wave of the Celtics.
40 years later, it's imminent.
Are you re ed?Are you ing re ed?
'01: 29.4-7.3-6.1-.469%
'02: 26.6-5.8-4.6-.434%
'01 WCF vs YOUR SPURS
33.3-7.0-7.0-51%
Led the team in 4th quarter scoring both years, some role player
'01: 30.4-15.4-.555%
'02: 28.5-12.6-.529%
lol cherry picking quarters and games.
No Shaq = no ship.
From 2000-2005, the comparison is Shaq vs Duncan.
Kobe has 2 as The Man... not even arguable.
I guess Kareem's last 4 rings don't count because he wasn't the best player
And Kobe was BETTER than Duncan in '01 and '02.
2 as the best player yes. Kareem, Hakeem, and Kobe have 2 rings as the "man"
Kobe has 2 as The Man... not even arguable.
Kareem has 6 total, Kobe 5 total. Kareem and Kobe were superstar caliber for the other rings (except Kareem's last ring and Kobe's first ring)
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Yeah I know. I am just trying to show the Kobe fanboys that the quality of defender and type of players Duncan has had to face throughout the years. I look at that short list and see quite a few shot block champions, DPOY's. That was just for him to get his points. He also shot over 50% against players like those in the playoffs. Then you have to add in the fact that Duncan also has to defend the O'Neals, Gasols, Bynums, Howards, Malones of the NBA. Not to mention also defend against slashing guards and whatnot.
Tim clearly has meant more to the team and has been the sole reason for having such a high career win%. He has to do a of a lot more than Kobe does. Kobe leaves a lot of the work for his frontcourt.
What I am saying is simple.
Kobe was the best offensive player for his playoff teams. Duncan was the best offensive and defensive player for his teams.
My vote goes to Duncan as far as better career. He doesn't get to hang out around the perimeter on defense. He has to be there every game on both sides of the court.
Fair enough. But defense is also played in the perimeter aswell
Oh of course it is. Kobe guards his man. Duncan guards his man, AND everyone elses.Fair enough. But defense is also played in the perimeter aswell
That's your premise.I guess Kareem's last 4 rings don't count because he wasn't the best player
Better as in?
It's easy to drop numbers when you don't have to carry your team and the actual best player on the team is getting double-triple teamed...
Rememba det time when Shaq left and Kome missed the playoffs and got kicked out in the 1st round?
So, yeah, role player.
Duncan has none as "superstar", whatever that means. All 4 of his are HIM being The Man. Same with Jordan.
Thus the reason Kirby will be remembered as a glorified T-Mac without the back spasms.
You're so butthurt about Kobe. I know he put the dagger in your heart many times. Just let it out.That's your premise.
Better as in?
It's easy to drop numbers when you don't have to carry your team and the actual best player on the team is getting double-triple teamed...
Rememba det time when Shaq left and Kome missed the playoffs and got kicked out in the 1st round?
So, yeah, role player.
That's all you have?
Me being butthurt or not has no bearing on him being a glorified sidekick. When the keys to the team were handed to him, he failed, then he started to kick and scream and requested to be traded.
You do remember that part too, right?
I don't have a problem with Duncan being over Kobe.
I have Kobe #7 and Duncan #8 on my AT list, close to each other.
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