Trayvon Martin - black kid armed with skittles killed in "self-defense"

**Goran Dragic** · 03-27-2012

And that proves that Zimmerman should have been arrested how?

It proves that Peaden wasn't just saying that for political reasons, which is what you implied.

I'll give this to you one time but I acknowledge that it is a complete waste of my time trying to explain this to you.

776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or

(2) Under those cir stances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.

Your fact issue here is whether it was reasonable for Zimmerman to believe that he needed to use deadly force to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm. This will not be a hard case to make considering the injuries he suffered at the scene of the incident.

Please note that this law says nothing about who is pursuing who nor does it really call into consideration any cir stantial evidence. Therefore, I do not care if he was right to follow Martin and if he exceeded his position of community watcher.

776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.—

(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.

(3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1).

In sum, eye witness says he saw Martin beating the crap out of Zimmerman.
Zimmerman says Martin was beating the crap out of him.
Zimmerman says he was fearful of death and/or great bodily harm.

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No probable cause for the police to suspect that use of force was unlawful.

That is where we are in this case. That is why there has not been an arrest. If evidence shows that use of force was unlawful, then they can arrest Zimmerman. Those are the relevant facts of the case based on the local police departments findings. A prosecutor cannot then step in and bring an action if the police say there is nothing to see here.

The Florida Law doesn't care about twitter messages, criminal records, racism or anything else.

You originally said it "prohibited police from arresting him." I never disputed the fact that the law gave them a reason for why they didn't arrest him. Prohibited =/= gave a reason.

So please, explain to me how it destroyed any probable cause the cops had (since that's what it had to have done in order for it to "prohibit arrest")

**Sec24Row7** · 03-27-2012

Don't punch people in the face on the street and you have less chance of getting shot.

**DarrinS** · 03-27-2012

Originally Posted by Goran Dragic

Victims of beatings don't ever get examined?

Is there any proof that Zimmerman was "beaten up" other than a police report that's being investigated right now?

While I was in such close contact with Zimmerman, I could observe that his back appeared to be wet and was covered with grass, as if he had been laying on his back on the ground. Zimmerman was also bleeding, from the nose and the back of his head.

...

Zimmerman was placed in the rear of my police vehicle and was given first aid by the SFD. While the SFD was attending to Zimmerman, I over heard him state "I was yelling for someone to help me, but no one would help me."

http://www.scribd.com/doc/86368480/T...Initial-Report

**ChumpDumper** · 03-27-2012

Originally Posted by Sec24Row7

Don't punch people in the face on the street and you have less chance of getting shot.

And don't wear a hoodie, Geraldo.

**ChumpDumper** · 03-27-2012

Zimmerman, I over heard him state "I was yelling for someone to help me, but no one would help me."

You had already called the real police, Charles Bronson.

**Fpoonsie** · 03-27-2012

Originally Posted by hater

point blank

...?

**elbamba** · 03-27-2012

Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue

Ok. You're crazy.

Police love mexicans. Didn't you know?

**Goran Dragic** · 03-27-2012

Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

I posted a linked earlier to the police department web site. What they have released so far is that Zimmereman was hurt and treated by a medical team at the site. They said said injuries were consistent with self defense.

Look at the last two paragraphs here on page 3.

Read this as well.

Like I've said 1,000 times, I don't believe the police here.

**elbamba** · 03-27-2012

Originally Posted by Goran Dragic

It proves that Peaden wasn't just saying that for political reasons, which is what you implied.

You originally said it "prohibited police from arresting him." I never disputed the fact that the law gave them a reason for why they didn't arrest him. Prohibited =/= gave a reason.

So please, explain to me how it destroyed any probable cause the cops had (since that's what it had to have done in order for it to "prohibit arrest")

No, because I don't have to win a case against you. I have shown plenty to defend my position. You offer nothing but more questions and inflamatory rehtoric. Not worth my time anymore.

**Sec24Row7** · 03-27-2012

Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

And don't wear a hoodie, Geraldo.

I could give a if he was dressed like Elvis... if I'm on the ground getting my face pounded and the dude is grabbing for my gun... It isn't good for his health.

**Fpoonsie** · 03-27-2012

Originally Posted by Goran Dragic

Like I've said 1,000 times, I don't believe the police here.

What's there to argue, then, if you don't believe what's put forth as "evidence"?

**ChumpDumper** · 03-27-2012

Originally Posted by Sec24Row7

I could give a if he was dressed like Elvis... if I'm on the ground getting my face pounded and the dude is grabbing for my gun... It isn't good for his health.

Grabbing for your gun?

Man, this story gets better with every telling.

**DarrinS** · 03-27-2012

Originally Posted by Goran Dragic

Like I've said 1,000 times, I don't believe the police here.

Yeah, they probably planted Zimmerman's blood on the curb too.

**Goran Dragic** · 03-27-2012

Originally Posted by Fpoonsie

What's there to argue, then, if you don't believe what's put forth as "evidence"?

Ask the FBI since they have the same doubts about the police report that I have.

If they thought the police report was 100% factual and truthful, I doubt they'd be investigating the police department that created it.

I also doubt the chief of said department would go on leave.

**ChumpDumper** · 03-27-2012

Well it's good to know that anyone can provoke a fight and just blow a guy away if he's losing the fight he started.

**Sec24Row7** · 03-27-2012

Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Grabbing for your gun?

Man, this story gets better with every telling.

That's what they were saying was his story yesterday... and honestly... if someone has a gun... it doesn't take much for that person to feel like the person on top of them is going for it.

This guy is going to get no billed on this thing...

You guys just better deal with it.

The kid did something really ing stupid and died... its tragic... but happens...

It's not worth getting worked up over.

**DarrinS** · 03-27-2012

Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Well it's good to know that anyone can provoke a fight and just blow a guy away if he's losing the fight he started.

Change the law

**VBM** · 03-27-2012

From The Daily Texan

**ChumpDumper** · 03-27-2012

Originally Posted by Sec24Row7

That's what they were saying was his story yesterday... and honestly... if someone has a gun... it doesn't take much for that person to feel like the person on top of them is going for it.

This guy is going to get no billed on this thing...

You guys just better deal with it.

The kid did something really ing stupid and died... its tragic... but happens...

It's not worth getting worked up over.

I know he's going to skate, since he's blameless according to you.

I guess that makes everything alright.

I feel better already.