71 Year-Old Grandmother Faces Life for Cane Attack

[CosmicCowboy]

"She deserves every bit of it," Guerrero said.

He calmed down after a couple Fuzzy Navels with Chump at happy hour.

[ChumpDumper]

So everyone basically feels the same on this issue. It was only an excuse for CC to flaunt his bigotry.

[CosmicCowboy]

*yawn*

[CosmicCowboy]

So how does blue team feel about hate crimes being treated differently than "regular" crimes?

[ChumpDumper]

got

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got

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[Spurminator]

Team Spurminator has never liked hate crime legislation. Crime is crime. If "hate" was a motivation, then let that apply in sentencing as well.

[Th'Pusher]

Purple team thinks a crime is a crime is a crime

[ChumpDumper]

Team Spurminator has never liked hate crime legislation. Crime is crime. If "hate" was a motivation, then let that apply in sentencing as well.

Agreed. Aggravating cir stances already have a way to be taken into consideration.

[TeyshaBlue]

So just to check the scorecard, Guerrero is:

1) a got
2) an actor, so probably unemployed and on welfare
3) a minority*

* pending confirmation that Guerrero is a real hispanic and not a white hispanic, which we all now means you're white

This should be sufficient evidence for Red Team to conclude that Derby was acting in self-defense, although things might get complicated later if we find out that Derby is black and/or on food stamps.

Splendid analysis.

[Sec24Row7]

Charge her with assault. Case closed.

[Winehole23]

And while we are on the subject I find the whole concept of "hate crimes" offensive.

A murder should be treated like a murder no matter what the motive. Same with a minor assault like this one.

agree strongly. criminalizing intentions/beliefs when the underlying actions are already punishable under law, is overkill. speech, even vile speech, should be protected.

[baseline bum]

So how does blue team feel about hate crimes being treated differently than "regular" crimes?

It's bull thought crime.

[ChumpDumper]

Not the battle CC thought it was going to be.

Oh well, he got to spew some hate anyway.

[GSH]

Agreed. Aggravating cir stances already have a way to be taken into consideration.

So you agree that "hate crime" should be off the table for George Zimmerman, too. Since it's unnecessary to begin with?

[ChumpDumper]

So you agree that "hate crime" should be off the table for George Zimmerman, too. Since it's unnecessary to begin with?

You can read, can't you?

[CosmicCowboy]

Not the battle CC thought it was going to be.

Oh well, he got to spew some hate anyway.

@ Chumps obsession with me...

got

[GSH]

You can read, can't you?

That's two things you've gotten right in one day. A new record.

[ChumpDumper]

@ Chumps obsession with me...

got

@ CC's phobia

bigot

That's two things you've gotten right in one day. A new record.

So have you figured out the answer to your question yet?

[mavs>spurs]

she should be given an award tbh leave the old woman alone

[Winehole23]

orange team says there's good historical reasons for hate crime law, though this law like many others is abused by prosecutors

there's the question of what to do when justice miscarries locally or victims are otherwise left without a remedy for obvious wrongs. that's pretty much why federal civil rights actions arise.

I don't have a problem with civil rights actions generally, but with hate crimes specifically, because what they criminalize is not actions but intent/speech.

[GSH]

there's the question of what to do when justice miscarries locally or victims are otherwise left without a remedy for obvious wrongs. that's pretty much why federal civil rights actions arise.

I don't have a problem with civil rights actions generally, but with hate crimes specifically, because what they criminalize is not actions but intent/speech.

I have to agree with you, Winehole (even though you usually have a way of turning it around when I do). When victims are left without a remedy for obvious wrongs. Like when the entire jury was white, and the defendant black. Something was needed to break the stranglehold of small town justice.

The problem is, when you leave anything in the hands of politicians long enough, they will find new and creative ways to twist it, until it's completely perverted. The law of unintended consequences, and all that. But by the time it gets to that point, it's usually near impossilbe to get rid of.

This case didn't have any business being classified a hate crime. And yet, at this point in history, it was automatic. And the guy who got hit with a cane believed he was en led to it.

THAT was the point. Justice really is blind.

[ChumpDumper]

I have to agree with you, Winehole (even though you usually have a way of turning it around when I do). When victims are left without a remedy for obvious wrongs. Like when the entire jury was white, and the defendant black. Something was needed to break the stranglehold of small town justice.

The problem is, when you leave anything in the hands of politicians long enough, they will find new and creative ways to twist it, until it's completely perverted. The law of unintended consequences, and all that. But by the time it gets to that point, it's usually near impossilbe to get rid of.

This case didn't have any business being classified a hate crime. And yet, at this point in history, it was automatic. And the guy who got hit with a cane believed he was en led to it.

THAT was the point. Justice really is blind.

Well it seems the attack wouldn't have happened had the victim not been gay. I'm not saying the law is a great one or should even exist, but since it does exist I can't think why its application here could be dismissed out of hand.

Is it because it's an old lady?

[Oh, Gee!!]

call it "disturbing the peace" and call it a day. small fine and an 8-hr anger mgmt/sensitivy class. no way this should go forward as a felony

[MannyIsGod]

So just to check the scorecard, Guerrero is:

1) a got
2) an actor, so probably unemployed and on welfare
3) a minority*

* pending confirmation that Guerrero is a real hispanic and not a white hispanic, which we all now means you're white

This should be sufficient evidence for Red Team to conclude that Derby was acting in self-defense, although things might get complicated later if we find out that Derby is black and/or on food stamps.

SMH. Usually expect better out of you, CG.

[z0sa]

LOL actually being hit and hurt by the strike of a 71 year old

lol running and locking the door because Granny attacked you

lol not just disarming Granny on his first miss and then taking her meager physical abuse instead of calling the cops