Finals Game 7 - Kobe vs Duncan

[Deuce Bigalow]

Sons, serious question...

is 25% shooting even good in High School nowadays?

Duncan had 25 points on 27 shots
Kobe had 23 points on 24 shots

Duncan is a big man, Kobe is a guard

[Deuce Bigalow]

6-24

needing a bunch of ref bailouts in the 4th quarter to even compare

Find me these bail out calls you're talking about

[Rummpd]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nejQMtkyLgY

Not game 7 but a finals performance beyond anything Kobe has ever done.

[Rummpd]

Duncan had 25 points on 27 shots
Kobe had 23 points on 24 shots

Duncan is a big man, Kobe is a guard

Kobe is 6'7" problem is he plays small much of the time.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Tim Duncan got the Spurs back in the game in the Third, where as Kobe kept digging a bigger hole for his team, Both good games though....never would had thought Kobe would had played so poorly, with him being compared to the all time great and all...just saying...

Actually when the Lakers got down by 13 in the 3rd quarter, Kobe started the run to get them back

8:23 Rajon Rondo makes driving layup 49-36
8:15 Rasheed Wallace shooting foul (Kobe Bryant draws the foul) 49-36
8:15 49-37 Kobe Bryant makes free throw 1 of 2
8:15 Tony Allen enters the game for Paul Pierce 49-37
8:15 49-37 Kobe Bryant misses free throw 2 of 2
8:12 Rajon Rondo defensive rebound 49-37
7:56 Ray Allen bad pass (Derek Fisher steals) 49-37
7:43 Los Angeles 20 Sec. timeout
7:43 49-37 Lamar Odom enters the game for Andrew Bynum
7:37 49-39 Kobe Bryant makes running jumper (Lamar Odom assists)
7:13 Rajon Rondo misses 5-foot hook shot 49-39
7:13 Boston defensive team rebound 49-39
7:13 Paul Pierce enters the game for Tony Allen 49-39
6:56 49-41 Pau Gasol makes two point shot
6:30 Kevin Garnett makes driving layup 51-41
6:11 51-43 Derek Fisher makes 18-foot running jumper (Lamar Odom assists)
5:45 Rajon Rondo misses 6-foot jumper 51-43
5:43 51-43 Lamar Odom defensive rebound
5:39 51-43 Ron Artest misses layup
5:37 51-45 Lamar Odom makes two point shot
5:37 51-45 Lamar Odom offensive rebound
5:37 Boston full timeout
5:24 Ray Allen misses 23-foot jumper 51-45
5:22 Rasheed Wallace offensive rebound 51-45
5:11 Paul Pierce lost ball (Ron Artest steals) 51-45
5:05 51-45 Ron Artest lost ball (Paul Pierce steals)
5:03 Rasheed Wallace misses 27-foot three point jumper 51-45
5:01 51-45 Kobe Bryant defensive rebound
4:54 51-45 Kobe Bryant bad pass (Rajon Rondo steals)
4:47 Paul Pierce makes 26-foot three point jumper (Rajon Rondo assists) 54-45
4:20 54-45 Kobe Bryant misses 13-foot jumper
4:20 Rasheed Wallace defensive rebound 54-45
3:58 Paul Pierce misses 21-foot jumper 54-45
3:57 54-45 Kobe Bryant defensive rebound
3:47 54-47 Lamar Odom makes two point shot
3:27 Rasheed Wallace makes 5-foot two point shot 56-47
3:08 56-49 Kobe Bryant makes 4-foot jumper
2:46 Pau Gasol blocks Kevin Garnett's driving layup 56-49
2:44 56-49 Lamar Odom defensive rebound
2:36 Rasheed Wallace shooting foul (Pau Gasol draws the foul) 56-49
2:36 Glen Davis enters the game for Rasheed Wallace 56-49
2:36 56-49 Shannon Brown enters the game for Derek Fisher
2:36 56-50 Pau Gasol makes free throw 1 of 2
2:36 56-51 Pau Gasol makes free throw 2 of 2
2:21 Paul Pierce misses 8-foot jumper 56-51
2:20 56-51 Kobe Bryant defensive rebound

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe is 6'7" problem is he plays small much of the time.

He's 6'6" 205 with an injured knee at the time (had the knee drained 3 times during the '10 Playoffs)

[Rummpd]

He's 6'6" 205 with an injured knee at the time (had the knee drained 3 times during the '10 Playoffs)

A lot of debate on line re his height ranging from 6-4 to 6-7 - Bryant head to head in any case appears an inch or two taller than Jordan but it could be posture. http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...t=95176&page=5

[Rummpd]

A lot of debate on line re his height ranging from 6-4 to 6-7 - Bryant head to head in any case appears an inch or two taller than Jordan but it could be posture. http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...t=95176&page=5

Bryant is tough as nails and as great a compe ive drive as anyone I will give him that.

[ElNono]

Here's a more balanced comparison for the series against basically the same team (Pistons '04 and '05)

Kobe - '04 Finals
24.5 ppg
4.7 rpg
5.5 apg
7 blocks
42 steals
61 turnovers
41% shooting
81% freethrows
24% 3pt attempts
44.2 mpg
Result: loss

Duncan - '05 Finals
23.6 ppg
12.4 rpg
2.7 apg
52 blocks
8 steals
62 turnovers
46% shooting
71% freethrows
20% 3pt attempts
37.8 mpg
Result: win

[Deuce Bigalow]

A two time loser in the finals says it all - Shaq's robin is arguebly the over most over ranked great player in history. Simply could not lead the team anywhere until he had Gasol/Odom and Bynum to help him and basically carry the team. Kobe is 6'7 with long arms = he should rebound more than he does honestly and should be going inside more but he gets away with murder on the foul calls till this day getting far more calls on the perimeter than most players. Kobe also has the luxury of getting the ball on the LAL whenever he wants, while bigs have to be fed.

Bynum? Bynum? BYNUM carried the team?

8.6 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 0.5 apg - 2010 Playoffs

2010 Playoffs

                                                   
                       Shoo           Per               
Rk              Player  FG%  3P%  FT%   MP  PTS  TRB AST
1          Kobe Bryant .458 .374 .842 40.1 29.2  6.0 5.5
2            Pau Gasol .539 .000 .759 39.7 19.6 11.1 3.5
3    Metta World Peace .398 .291 .579 36.5 11.2  4.0 2.1
4         Derek Fisher .448 .360 .821 32.8 10.3  2.5 2.8
5           Lamar Odom .469 .244 .600 29.0  9.7  8.6 2.0
6         Andrew Bynum .537      .679 24.4  8.6  6.9 0.5

How did they get to the Finals?

2010 WCF

                                                              
                       Shoo           Per                       
Rk              Player  FG%  3P%  FT%   MP  PTS  TRB AST STL BLK
1          Kobe Bryant .521 .432 .881 41.5 33.7  7.2 8.3 0.8 1.2
2            Pau Gasol .566      .750 40.7 19.7  7.2 3.7 0.2 1.8
3    Metta World Peace .459 .333 .700 38.0 14.3  4.7 2.2 1.7 0.3
4           Lamar Odom .480 .200 .588 34.3 14.0 11.8 3.2 1.2 0.5
5         Derek Fisher .480 .300 .850 33.2 11.8  2.0 3.0 1.3 0.0
6         Andrew Bynum .586      .750 18.0  7.2  5.7 0.2 0.2 1.2

You want to continue writing bull about him being "carried"?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Here's a more balanced comparison for the series against basically the same team (Pistons '04 and '05)

Kobe - '04 Finals
24.5 ppg
4.7 rpg
5.5 apg
7 blocks
42 steals
61 turnovers
41% shooting
81% freethrows
24% 3pt attempts
44.2 mpg
Result: loss

Duncan - '05 Finals
23.6 ppg
12.4 rpg
2.7 apg
52 blocks
8 steals
62 turnovers
46% shooting
71% freethrows
20% 3pt attempts
37.8 mpg
Result: win

Kobe vs Duncan vs the Suns in the '10 Playoffs

Kobe - '10 WCF vs Suns
33.7 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 8.3 apg, .521 FG%
Win

Duncan - '10 WCSF vs Suns
20.3 ppg, 10.5 rpg, 2.5 apg, .552 FG%
Loss - Swept

[BoricuaCJA]

Some people just look at stats, not the game. Positioning, help D, passes, how much time is left in shot clock when shot is taken, etc.

[ElNono]

Kobe vs Duncan vs the Suns in the '10 Playoffs

Kobe - '10 WCF vs Suns
33.7 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 8.3 apg, .521 FG%
Win

Duncan - '10 WCSF vs Suns
20.3 ppg, 10.5 rpg, 2.5 apg, .552 FG%
Loss - Swept

Duncan was already in his decline then... what was Kobe excuse in '04?

[Giuseppe]

Duncan was already in his decline then... what was Kobe excuse in '04?

Only pussies & assholes use excuses.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Duncan was already in his decline then... what was Kobe excuse in '04?

excuses are for losers

[jrodriguez.Nb.Tx]

pretty sad how ppl gotta bring up frm like 10 yrs ago.. or that dont even matter,
just cuz their team gets smashed on by all the good teams of today.

[ElNono]

Only pussies & assholes use excuses.

Can't take it. Chicken .

excuses are for losers

Not excuse, fact supported by the numbers.

What was Kobe's excuse?

[Giuseppe]

Can't take it. Chicken .

I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Can't take it. Chicken .



Not excuse, fact supported by the numbers.

What was Kobe's excuse?

He doesn't have an excuse. I don't use excuses.

[z0sa]

Kobe vs Duncan vs the Suns in the '10 Playoffs

Kobe - '10 WCF vs Suns
33.7 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 8.3 apg, .521 FG%
Win

Duncan - '10 WCSF vs Suns
20.3 ppg, 10.5 rpg, 2.5 apg, .552 FG%
Loss - Swept

one of the biggest drowning man reaching for straws maneuvers in recent ST history

[Giuseppe]

He doesn't have an excuse. I don't use excuses.

Let us proceed...

[ElNono]

He doesn't have an excuse.

[Giuseppe]

^Only pussies & assholes use excuses.

[Deuce Bigalow]

one of the biggest drowning man reaching for straws maneuvers in recent ST history

huh?

It's a fair comparison

The same year
VS the same team
Kobe was in his 14th season
Duncan was in his 13th season

[z0sa]

huh?

It's a fair comparison

The same year
VS the same team
Kobe was in his 14th season
Duncan was in his 13th season

Neither the OP nor that is a "fair comparison." Tim Duncan faced two of the best big man defenders of this generation, plus a 2005 McDyess most of the time he was on the court vs the Pistons. Motivated Sheed might have been the best Tim Duncan defender ever.

Kobe didn't face a trio of the best defensive wings in recent history when he played already old Boston in 2010.

Next, 2010 Kobe demands the ball much more often than 2010 Tim Duncan does. Two totally different players, on totally different teams, in totally different stages of their careers. IE a huge reach.