Trayvon Martin - black kid armed with skittles killed in "self-defense"

[CosmicCowboy]

, they are probably planning to call Manny as an expert witness...

I had not heard that tape. No ing way I'm buying thats Zimmerman.

After all, He's kind of like a science major....

[TheSkeptic]

I'm just dismissing unsolicited and unauthorized forensic experts that went straight to the media. My "15 minutes of fame" statement still stands. If the police and FBI corroborate this outsiders opinion it obviously will carry more weight.

I think the Orlando Sentinel was the one that contacted those guys. They both have impressive credentials and Owen in particular has years of experience. The technology has been used before in court apparently.

I personally think that between this, common sense, and the boy's mother saying it's her son's voice, it's safe to say that it probably wasn't Zimmerman on the tape. If they can prove that it's Trayvon who was screaming before the gunshot, that will seriously damage Zimmerman's story imo.

[CosmicCowboy]

Eyewitnesses >Earwitnesses

[Fabbs]

I think the Orlando Sentinel was the one that contacted those guys. They both have impressive credentials and Owen in particular has years of experience.

Impressive credentials as he and Sentinel team up to blab info they have no business releasing?

Cred shot.
If they have the goods and the police repress then bring it up at the right time.

[Gutter92]

Eyewitnesses >Earwitnesses

Eyewitnesses who witness something late at night in a brief moment vs. earwitnesses who can analyze the evidence for days, and the evidence is available to anyone to analyze

Yep, eyewitness > earwitness

[CosmicCowboy]

Eyewitnesses who witness something late at night in a brief moment vs. earwitnesses who can analyze the evidence for days, and the evidence is available to anyone to analyze

Yep, eyewitness > earwitness

In a court eyewitnesses still > earwitnesses > smellwitnesses

[Creepn]

In a court eyewitnesses still > earwitnesses > smellwitnesses

No if they present and explain thoroughly to jurors, that would be enough no matter what it is. Like with the audio, if the explain why it's most likely Trayvon's and not Zimerman's by explaining the laws of sound, technique used, and the cir stances surrounding it, it could go a long way.

[DarrinS]

Damn. Forget the eyewitnesses and physical evidence. I'm going with people hearing "koons" and analyzing screams from sketchy audio.

[Fabbs]

Sorry if this was gone over way back-thread.
What is the latest on funeral directors purported findings?

The article left it hanging. (#3)
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/...210020839.html
2. NBC told the Washington Post that it has launched an internal investigation of the "Today" show's editorial process after its morning show aired an edited conversation between George Zimmerman and a 911 dispatcher recorded moments before the shooting. The investigation came after Fox News and others pointed out that the network spliced two parts of the call together, making it appear as if Zimmerman had said, "This guy looks like he's up to no good. He looks black." In reality, Zimmerman was answering a dispatcher's question:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he's up to no good. Or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

Dispatcher: OK, and this guy--is he black, white or Hispanic?

Zimmerman: He looks black.

3. In an flailing effort to break news in a month-old shooting, CBS News aired an interview with Richard Kurtz, the funeral director who handled Trayvon Martin's burial.

"There were no physical signs like there had been a scuffle," Kurtz declared, which the network said proves Zimmerman's claims of a violent encounter with Martin before the shooting are false. "The hands--I didn't see any knuckles, bruises or what have you, and that is something we would have covered up if it would have been there. He looked perfectly normal to me when he came in and the story just does not make sense that he was in this type of scuffle or fight in anything that we could see."

Except, he said, the gunshot wound.

[ElNono]

I'm just dismissing unsolicited and unauthorized forensic experts that went straight to the media. My "15 minutes of fame" statement still stands. If the police and FBI corroborate this outsiders opinion it obviously will carry more weight.

I just don't see how such evidence indicts Zimmerman... you would need much more to know what could've happened. That's why I don't get why some get so defensive about this finding... it could mean nothing at all.

[Winehole23]

Your argument doesn't hold... if any of the voices were above the frequency limit, they wouldn't be part of the recording...

How dumb are you?

I used to mock and deride WC's amazing bs, now I try to encourage it.

sometimes, it is amazing bs.

[Wild Cobra]

I just don't see how such evidence indicts Zimmerman... you would need much more to know what could've happened. That's why I don't get why some get so defensive about this finding... it could mean nothing at all.

I see you are now agreeing with me.

The analysis could be used to say it was Zimmerman if it reached the 90%. At 48%, it is inconclusive. 48% does not mean it was not Zimmerman, since too many variables are in play.

[Wild Cobra]

I used to mock and deride WC's amazing bs, now I try to encourage it.

sometimes, it is amazing bs.

Is it BS, or others inability to follow?

[JohnnyMarzetti]

Is it BS, or others inability to follow?

Inability to follow BS!!?

[Wild Cobra]

Inability to follow BS!!?

What have I said that's incorrect about this voice thing? Do you believe a voice has a "fingerprint?"

[Wild Cobra]

I used to mock and deride WC's amazing bs, now I try to encourage it.

sometimes, it is amazing bs.

What have I said about this voice ID thing that you disagree with?

[ElNono]

I see you are now agreeing with me.

No

The analysis could be used to say it was Zimmerman if it reached the 90%. At 48%, it is inconclusive. 48% does not mean it was not Zimmerman, since too many variables are in play.

No

It's conclusive it was not Zimmerman... that doesn't exclude that Zimmerman acted in self-defense...

[ElNono]

What have I said that's incorrect about this voice thing? Do you believe a voice has a "fingerprint?"

It's not a matter of belief... again, I'm asking your for your credentials in audio forensics to make such a claim... still waiting...

[ElNono]

Is it BS, or others inability to follow?

Most definitely BS... people follow what you're saying, and it's entirely BS...

Expect to get called out on it...

[Agloco]

WC is an expert in all things scientific. I wish people would remember that and just take his word for things.

[Wild Cobra]

WC is an expert in all things scientific. I wish people would remember that and just take his word for things.

Tell me what I'm wrong about please.

I didn't discount the process, only pointed out 90% cannot be expected under the cir stances. That 48% is probably reasonable under the many variables difference between paths. The individual differing equipment has not been baselined, and the testing of recording were recorded among different communications routes. Screams and voice are different enough alone not to produce a good match. Look what they had to work with. Not much, and so different.

[Fabbs]

Hey, get off this hearing thing for a minute.
Has the funeral directors "no bruises no nothing" been rebuffed?

[CosmicCowboy]

yes

[DarrinS]

Hey, get off this hearing thing for a minute.
Has the funeral directors "no bruises no nothing" been rebuffed?

I wonder if they will call in the funeral director as a forensic expert?

I'd rather hear the opinion of a ME.

[Wild Cobra]

Hey, get off this hearing thing for a minute.
Has the funeral directors "no bruises no nothing" been rebuffed?

Yes.

Martin was dead too soon after the fight started. No time for the blood to cause bruising because the blood stopped pumping. That is something that the autopsy will show, and the results aren't released yet to my knowledge. The funeral guy has no way of making a factual statement regarding if Martin's fists were used.