Trayvon Martin - black kid armed with skittles killed in "self-defense"

[spursncowboys]

[spursncowboys]

NBC NEWS DOCTORED ZIMMERMAN’S 911 CALL TO MAKE HIM SOUND RACIST

When NBC News played the audio of the 911 call George Zimmerman made prior to the confrontation that resulted in the death Travyon Martin, this is what they played:
Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.
That audio helped fan the nation-wide flames of hysteria over the supposed fact that the police had released an obvious racist who had tracked and killed Martin out of racist motives. Many Republicans, such as Jeb Bush, the highly regarded former governor of Florida, and many “conservatives,” such as Rich Lowry, the editor of America’s flagship “conservative” magazine, believed it.
But the audio played by NBC, though it seemed like “fact” (because it was an audio, and isn’t audio true?) was false.

Here is the transcript of the actual audio of the 911 call:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.
Dispatcher: OK, and this guy—is he black, white or Hispanic?

Zimmerman: He looks black.

[ElNono]

The actual audio files are here, BTW... I'm glad I'm not a NBC viewer, tbh

[Wild Cobra]

I honestly hope the parents launch a civil suit. They could fund a charity in honour of their son with that money.

LOL...

Just where will that money come from? You think Zimmerman is flush in cash, as to be able to pay more than the lawyers will cost?

Is that money going to... poof... appear out of thin air?

[Quadzilla99]

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph.../EnhanceButton

[TheSkeptic]

LOL...

Just where will that money come from? You think Zimmerman is flush in cash, as to be able to pay more than the lawyers will cost?

Is that money going to... poof... appear out of thin air?

Don't they have payment plans or what have you? Tbh, I don't particularly care.

They probably have grounds to sue more people than Zimmerman.

I wonder what kind of liability the Home Owners Association or the Police Department would have? They can take Zimmerman to the cleaners while they're also suing some of these other groups.

[Th'Pusher]

Don't they have payment plans or what have you? Tbh, I don't particularly care.

They probably have grounds to sue more people than Zimmerman.

I wonder what kind of liability the Home Owners Association or the Police Department would have? They can take Zimmerman to the cleaners while they're also suing some of these other groups.

http://www.npr.org/2012/04/02/149866...rs-association

[elbamba]

That's boderline racist and I'm starting to think that a lot of the people defending Zimmerman are really defending their right to react the same way if they're ever in a similar situation. It's frightening how so many people (here and on other forums) are tripping over each other in an attempt to justify this. Make Trayvon Martin into Tina Martin and I'll bet these same people would be howling about how Florida's justice system has fallen apart. Sickening.

I think that people responded in favor of Zimmerman for two reasons:

1. The media broke this story with a clear agenda: white male ages 25-30 shoots unarmed innocent black child.

2. The media's haste to convict Zimmerman.

3. Gun control laws.


To this day, most news articles and shows refer to Zimmerman as either white or referencing his white father. Most people with common sense can see that an are bothered by it. If it was a casual reference or if it appeared in one story, no one would care, but when the narrative is bad white man shoots innocent black child, and most of the people who watch the news and read the articles are white, you should expect a degree of push back. What surprises me the most in this story, is that the hispanic community has stayed quiet in all of this. I am no civil rights leader for the hispanic community, but if I were an activist for La Raza, I would be demanding Zimmerman get his day in court and I would be holding rallys right next to Martins. After all, anyone who is hispanic on here knows that we don't count for minority status anyway.

The media did not hide its agenda to arrest and convict Zimmerman. It may be justified, but we are no longer living in 1950 and most people believe that everyone should get their day in court. I am of the opinion that if the evidence does not support it, there should be no day in court. Clearly, there has been enough evidence to show significant support to Zimmerman's claims. You may not like it, you may think there is as much evidence to proceed with a grand jury and maybe you are right. However, lets leave it to the local officials, not NBC and ABC.

Finally, if there is one thing that half of America hates, its gun control. A story like this brings out the primary danger of weak gun control policies that we as a society, or half of a society, are afraid to admit, that unqualified, itchy trigger finger individuals have way too easy access to guns. I believe that the second amednment provides the right for every citizen to bear arms, however, like every other amendment, I do not believe that it is a limitless right that should be unchecked by regulation. If there is any good in this story, it would be that we open up a dialog concerning reasonable gun control laws that make sense for the society as a whole.

[Wild Cobra]

Yes, the bias is very disturbing.

[CosmicCowboy]

[TheSkeptic]

http://www.npr.org/2012/04/02/149866...rs-association

I don't know what they're paying that lawyer, but he's been worth every penny so far. Thorough, professional, going after people. I'm very impressed.

Still sad about this though. They deserve to have their son back.

I think that people responded in favor of Zimmerman for two reasons:

1. The media broke this story with a clear agenda: white male ages 25-30 shoots unarmed innocent black child.

2. The media's haste to convict Zimmerman.

3. Gun control laws.


To this day, most news articles and shows refer to Zimmerman as either white or referencing his white father. Most people with common sense can see that an are bothered by it. If it was a casual reference or if it appeared in one story, no one would care, but when the narrative is bad white man shoots innocent black child, and most of the people who watch the news and read the articles are white, you should expect a degree of push back. What surprises me the most in this story, is that the hispanic community has stayed quiet in all of this. I am no civil rights leader for the hispanic community, but if I were an activist for La Raza, I would be demanding Zimmerman get his day in court and I would be holding rallys right next to Martins. After all, anyone who is hispanic on here knows that we don't count for minority status anyway.

The media did not hide its agenda to arrest and convict Zimmerman. It may be justified, but we are no longer living in 1950 and most people believe that everyone should get their day in court. I am of the opinion that if the evidence does not support it, there should be no day in court. Clearly, there has been enough evidence to show significant support to Zimmerman's claims. You may not like it, you may think there is as much evidence to proceed with a grand jury and maybe you are right. However, lets leave it to the local officials, not NBC and ABC.

Interesting. That whole hispanic/white thing never really registered with me because I don't think race matters here. (Well it does *now* but given the facts) What bothers me is that a grown man shot an unarmed teenager and walked away. If it wasn't for the media, they wouldn't have even opened the investigation in spite of the fact that the lead investigator wanted to press charges.

I'm not in the US and I don't have NBC/ABC so I don't think I picked up the media angle. Even then the media pushing a narrative doesn't justify the many people who are being callous about the needless death of a child. That complete lack of empathy does not reflect very well in my opinion.

Completely agreed on the trial. Disagree with you on the evidence part.

That said, I don't want him dead or anything. I want him to get a fair trial or at the very least I want them to consider taking him to court and I want the parents to sue him no matter what the results are. Now that the authorities are working on it that's one. Now the parents need to file a civil lawsuit.

Even if they take him for everything he's worth, at least he'd still be able to go home to the people who love him. That's more than what he gave Trayvon.

Finally, if there is one thing that half of America hates, its gun control. A story like this brings out the primary danger of weak gun control policies that we as a society, or half of a society, are afraid to admit, that unqualified, itchy trigger finger individuals have way too easy access to guns. I believe that the second amednment provides the right for every citizen to bear arms, however, like every other amendment, I do not believe that it is a limitless right that should be unchecked by regulation. If there is any good in this story, it would be that we open up a dialog concerning reasonable gun control laws that make sense for the society as a whole.

I completely agree with you on the gun control laws.

I don't fully understand the defensiveness I'm seeing though. Like I said, although pretty much everyone (except for me and my family) knew how to shoot in that community, there was never anything to worry about so it's not like people having more guns is necessarily dangerous. Frankly, not having to worry about unstable personalities getting firearms is the first step towards a safer society as a whole.

That and deaths involving firearms need to be taken more seriously in general. People get upset over a lot of things but when a "toy" or something entertainment-related kills someone, I feel like people tend to gloss over it.

I'm not sure that the gun control conversation is going to happen because it honestly looks like the other side is busy doing the whole "He deserved to die! What? More oversight? Gun con-?! La la la la la la! We're not listening!"

[TheSkeptic]

That one's actually funny.

[Wild Cobra]

If it wasn't for the media, they wouldn't have even opened the investigation in spite of the fact that the lead investigator wanted to press charges.

No, they did an investigation. They determined Zimmerman lawfully shot in self defense. Now that the media and race baiters got involved, bigger players are now investigating too.

Even then the media pushing a narrative doesn't justify the many people who are being callous about the needless death of a child. That complete lack of empathy does not reflect very well in my opinion.

Self defense is needless?

I'm sorry, but if Zimmerman's story is correct, and I found myself being pounded by someone, and I had a gun and couldn't stop him physically, that mother er would be dead once I could get to it.

That said, I don't want him dead or anything. I want him to get a fair trial or at the very least I want them to consider taking him to court and I want the parents to sue him no matter what the results are. Now that the authorities are working on it that's one. Now the parents need to file a civil lawsuit.

Well, he will have a trial if there is ever any evidence found that can be used against him. You can count on that. Now however, with a biased jury pool, it will not be fair. Too many in the jury will start believing they need to convict.

[Stringer_Bell]

That was pretty good, didn't feel like I watched 7 minutes at all.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to Trayvon's family suing the real people responsible...HCA's. Those guys are assholes and deserve to get sued, really curious how that will play out. Also can't wait for the Trayvon celebrity album with all the best rappers raising money for the Trayvon scholarship fund.

[TheSkeptic]

Self defense is needless?

I'm sorry, but if Zimmerman's story is correct, and I found myself being pounded by someone, and I had a gun and couldn't stop him physically, that mother er would be dead once I could get to it.

Don't put words in my mouth.

I never said self defense wasn't necessary. Just that I didn't believe his story, the lead investigator didn't believe his story, and that there's evidence going both ways though I'm siding with the unarmed teenager.

The police messed up. You don't get to take a botched investigation where mistakes were made and point to that as proof that a trial isn't necessary. I'm saying he should have his day in court. If he's proven not guilty then it is what it is.

*If* Zimmerman's story is correct then he would have a point except he was the one doing the pursuing. I'm sorry but I still think he's responsible for the whole situation.

Since there's no question that he was involved with the shooting, they might as well sue Zimmerman as well as the HOA and anyone else who was found not doing their jobs. That's basically what civil lawsuits look like anyway. Name a whole bunch of people and see what sticks.

[Creepn]

I still think this dude racially profiled this kid, told him "What the are you doing here?", kid felt the need to use self defense from a guy who was chasing him in the night, Trayvon got the best of him and screamed "HELP HELP" then was shot dead. Straight up murder. Then the coward says, "Self defense, look at me! I'm bleeding".

Daddy Zimmerman is a big fat ing liar and the mere fact that he already lied a few times goes to show that he KNOWS what he needed to do to get around the law to get his son off. Like the way he did the other charges.

all of you pro-zimmerman mutha as. you all. And that "Kill A Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Lu ck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_" law too. That's what it is. Stalk a black guy, provoke him, and shoot him dead when he's giving you a good ol fashion ass whuppin'. Finally found that loophole!

[Halberto]

^must be nice to be so simple minded

[CosmicCowboy]

^must be nice to be so simple minded

I got back from the ranch and fixed a quick dinner and opened this thread and saw that and STARTED to respond...and then realized that this idiot is so far gone it was better to just ignore him. It just looks to me like a tragic misunderstanding by both parties that escalated to a tragic end. I don't have sympathy for either one but as the saying goes, happens.

[Creepn]

Lol both of yall. I don't need your pity.

[DarrinS]

NBC's altered 911 call -- custom made for idiots like creepn.

Duped

[Sec24Row7]

Lol both of yall. I don't need your pity.

Good, because it looks like you are getting their disdain instead.

[Nbadan]

Excellent reporting from Reuters today...

"He told me Zimmerman's story was that Zimmerman was of course following him and that Trayvon approached his vehicle, walked up to the car and asked Zimmerman, 'Why are your following me?' Zimmerman then rolls his car windows down, tells Trayvon 'I'm not following you.' He rolls his car windows up.

"Trayvon walks off. Zimmerman said he started running between the buildings. Zimmerman gets out of his car. He comes around the building. Trayvon is hiding behind the building, waiting on him. Trayvon approaches him and says, 'What's your problem, homes?' Zimmerman says 'I don't have a problem.'

"Zimmerman starts to reach into his pocket to get his cellphone, and at that point Trayvon attacked him. He says Trayvon hits him. He falls on the ground. Trayvon jumps on top of him, takes his left hand and covers Zimmerman's mouth and tells him to shut the F up and continues to pound on him.

"At that point Zimmerman is able to unholster his weapon and fire a shot, striking Trayvon in the chest. Trayvon falls on his back and says, 'You got me.'"

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8F31ZX20120403

This loosely collaborates what Trayvon's girlfriend said she heard on the phone...Trayvon felt he was being followed by Zimmerman...under Florida law, he had a right to feel threatened and to defend himself....

[TheSkeptic]

I still think this dude racially profiled this kid, told him "What the are you doing here?", kid felt the need to use self defense from a guy who was chasing him in the night, Trayvon got the best of him and screamed "HELP HELP" then was shot dead. Straight up murder. Then the coward says, "Self defense, look at me! I'm bleeding".

Daddy Zimmerman is a big fat ing liar and the mere fact that he already lied a few times goes to show that he KNOWS what he needed to do to get around the law to get his son off. Like the way he did the other charges.

all of you pro-zimmerman mutha as. you all. And that "Kill A Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Lu ck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_" law too. That's what it is. Stalk a black guy, provoke him, and shoot him dead when he's giving you a good ol fashion ass whuppin'. Finally found that loophole!

I get where you're coming from.

Tim Wise gave his thoughts on this whole situation

http://www.timwise.org/2012/03/trayv...ss-in-america/

http://www.timwise.org/2012/03/trayv...of-dred-scott/

From what I'm observing he's onto something where the mentalities of some people are concerned.

My emotions are getting drained with this case though. Even if Zimmerman somehow got the death penalty, it wouldn't bring their son back.

[TheSkeptic]

Excellent reporting from Reuters today...



http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8F31ZX20120403

This loosely collaborates what Trayvon's girlfriend said she heard on the phone...Trayvon felt he was being followed by Zimmerman...under Florida law, he had a right to feel threatened and to defend himself....

You'd think.

[Wild Cobra]

I wonder what kind of liability the Home Owners Association or the Police Department would have? They can take Zimmerman to the cleaners while they're also suing some of these other groups.

There is a reason why the responder to the call said "we don't need you to do that" and why he was an "unofficial" neighborhood watch person. It avoids litigation either way. On what grounds can a case be made? Because the Home Owners association didn't specifically forbid citizens from trying to protect the area?