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Leonard is ting on all the guys of your list tbh
Rank these great SFs at their peak performances. I'm only including players from the 90s and 2000s because it's more likely that everyone here has seen them play.
Carmelo Anthony
Kevin Durant
Grant Hill
LeBron James
Shawn Marion
Tracy McGrady
Chris Mullin
Paul Pierce
Scottie Pippen
Dominique Wilkins
Leonard is ting on all the guys of your list tbh
1.Bron
2.Pippen
3.Hill
4.Tmac
5.Durant
6.Pierce
7.Melo
8.Marion
Didnt really get to see much of Nique or Mullin tbh, so I left them out.
1. Lebron James
2. Scottie Pippen
3. Tracy McGrady
4. Kevin Durant
5. Grant Hill
6. Paul Pierce
7. Dominique Wilkins
8. Carmelo Anthony
9. Chris Mullin
10. Shawn Marion
1. LeBron James
2. Dominique Wilkins
3. Scottie Pippen
4. Grant Hill
5. Kevin Durant
6. Carmello Anthony
7. Chris Mullin
8. Paul Pierce
9. Tracy McGrady
8. Shawn Marion
James vs Wilkins vs Pippen vs Grant Hill vs Anthony vs Durant (Best 7 consecutive seasons)
James: 28.5 PPG - 7.4 TRB - 7.1 APG - 1.7 SPG - 0.9 BPG - 3.3 TOV - 49% - 33% - 74%
Wilkins: 28 PPG - 7.1 TRB - 2.8 APG - 1.5 SPG - 0.7 BPG - 2.6 TOV - 46% - 30% - 82%
Pippen: 20 PPG - 7.3 TRB - 5.9 APG - 2.2 SPG - 0.9 BPG - 3.0 TOV - 47% - 33% - 70%
Hill (6 seasons): 21.6 PPG - 7.9 TRB - 6.3 APG - 1.6 SPG - 0.6 BPG - 3.3 TOV - 47% - 25% - 74%
Anthony: 25.8 PPG - 6.5 TRB - 3.2 APG - 1.1 SPG - 0.5 BPG - 3.0 TOV - 46% - 32% - 81%
Durant (5 seasons): 26.1 PPG - 6.6 TRB - 2.8 APG - 1.2 SPG - 0.9 BPG - 3.1 TOV - 46% - 36% - 87%
McGrady: 26.9 PPG - 6.6 TRB - 5.4 APG - 1.5 SPG - 0.9 BPG - 2.6 TOV - 43% - 34% - 75%
Pierce: 24.8 PPG - 6.7 TRB - 4.1 APG - 1.6 SPG - 0.7 BPG - 3.3 TOV - 43% - 35% - 79%
Last edited by NewcastleKEG; 04-04-2012 at 11:11 PM.
At their peak?
Lebron
McGrady/Durant (tie)
Grant Hill
Marion
Pippen
Pierce
Wilkins
Mullins
Anthony
Lebron
Pippen
Hill
Durant
Nique
Pierce
Mullin
TMac
Melo
Marion
Mullin vs. TMac was tough for me. TMac was by far the better scorer, and a better defender if he wanted to, but he was a loser. TMac would have been #1, 2 or 3 if he played along Shaq during his prime though.
Melo is much worse than TMac.
Marion shouldn't even be in the same discussion. Players like Bernard King, Peja, Alex English, Worthy, Artest, Mashburn, Rice, and Miller (depends if you put him as a SF or SG) were all better SF during this era.
Marion is underrated. He had some really good years in Phoenix. Beast defensively, and very good all-around.
Marion at his peak didn't know how to dribble a basketball or consistently make wide open shots.
That's D'Antoni's fault. Plus, that's Trevor Ariza who you're talking about.
But also, half the guys on this list couldn't guard Kamala the Ugandan Warrior off the dribble.
It doesn't matter who's fault it is. It could be hemann82's fault, that doesn't change the fact that Marion at his peak couldn't consistently make wide open shots or dribble a basketball.
Point System Based On
- Points/Game
- Total Rebounds/Game
- Assists/Game
- Steals/Game
- Blocks/Game
- Turnovers/Game
- FG%
- 3PT%
- FT%
#8 Carmello Anthony
#7 Paul Pierce
#6 Grant Hill
#5 Tracy McGrady (TIE)
#5 Dominique Wilkins (TIE)
#3 Scottie Pippen
#2 Kevin Durant
#1 LeBron James
Lower Score The Better
James: 24
Wilkins: 37
Pippen: 34
Hill: 43
Anthony: 50
Durant: 32
McGrady: 37
Pierce: 44
Do you think Durant will surpass James?
Not statistically. James Assists Per Game average compared to the rest of the group is amazing. Plus the complaints over him not shooting enough helps him because his Shooting % will remain high.
But with Championships Durant could eclipse James in terms of GREATNESS.
1. LeBron James
2. Dominique Wilkins
3. Scottie Pippen
4. Paul Pierce
5. Kevin Durant
6.Grant Hill
7. Carmello Anthony
8. Chris Mullin
9. Shawn Marion
T-Mac at his prime in Orlando was better than most of them but he was a SG
To those who downplayed Marion...see his 2005-06 season averages:
21.8 ppg, 11.8 rpg, 1.8 apg, 1.7 bpg, 2.0 spg, 52.5 fg%
Come on...that's worthy of this conversation.
Chris Mullin is getting a raw deal here
Mullin (6-Best Seasons)
25 PPG - 5.3 TRB - 4.2 APG - 1.9 SPG - 0.7 BPG - 3.0 TOV - 52% - 35% - 87%
Pierce (7-Best Seasons): 24.8 PPG - 6.7 TRB - 4.1 APG - 1.6 SPG - 0.7 BPG - 3.3 TOV - 43% - 35% - 79%
Grant Hill (6-Best Seasons: 21.6 PPG - 7.9 TRB - 6.3 APG - 1.6 SPG - 0.6 BPG - 3.3 TOV - 47% - 25% - 74%
McGrady (7-Best Seasons): 26.9 PPG - 6.6 TRB - 5.4 APG - 1.5 SPG - 0.9 BPG - 2.6 TOV - 43% - 34% - 75%
Looks like
1. McGrady
2. Mullin
3. Grant Hill
4. Paul Pierce
Shawn Marion (6-Best Seasons)
19.7 PPG - 10.3 TRB - 2.1 APG - 2.0 SPG - 1.4 BPG - 1.7 TOV - 47% - 34% - 83%
Hmm. Considering the shooting percentages.....that is impressive. But the assists is really lacking
I'd still put Marion below everyone else on the list but yes he deserves to be listed
TMac is above anyone not named LeBron. Dude flat out had it all. Scoring, jumpshot, slashing, rebounding, passing, court vision, defense (when he needed to). Just lacked the mentality and work ethic. Easily would've surpassed Kobe if he did.
Yeah but defense is half the game.
If you add per game rebounds, steals, blocks
Marion: 13.7
Larry Bird: 12.8
Pippen: 10.4
Grant Hill: 10.1
James: 10.0
Wilkins: 9.3
Pierce: 9.0
McGrady: 9.0
Durant: 8.7
Anthony: 8.1
Mullin: 7.9
Credit Marion's ridiculous amount to Suns funky system but I think overall that is a good representation of where you would rank those players defensively.
Adding rebounds, steals, and blocks doesn't determine overall defense. Doesn't make sense. Leaves out many other factors like help defense, man-to-man defense. You're just throwing a 3 stats together and quantifying it as overall defense. What the is up with that?
TMac was always soft on defense. You're right his work ethic was lacking. He had the tools but not the drive. , Shaq would have easily been the greatest player in NBA history if he had Jordan and Kobe's worth ethic and drive.
If you ranked those players by defense, the point system I put together would look very similar to your list I predict
At their very best, T-Mac, Carmello, and Lebron are in the top tier, with Hill and Durant a tier below.
Carmello I think is the most polished, versatile scorer perhaps in NBA history. There are absolutely no weaknesses in his ability to score points, and he is the only player I have ever seen that I can say that about. However, his poor shot selection and seeming inability to raise the level of his teammates play has plagued him.
Lebron is a freak of nature amongst freaks of nature. To this day, he still makes other disgustingly gifted athletes look average in comparison to him. Not to mention he has an incredible playmaking ability. IMO he is the modern day Magic Johnson, in terms of his unusual combination of size with a point guard skillset. Yeah yeah, people will call me stupid since Magic won 5 championships... well Magic did that while playing alongside the best big man in NBA history, along with a pretty stacked team in a consistently weak Western conference.
T-Mac is the most naturally gifted player I have ever seen. If he had the work ethic of MJ, he would have been better. And not just slightly better, I think he would have been unquestionably the best basketball player the world has ever seen. I've never seen a player that could average over 30 ppg like there's absolutely nothing to it. He made the game just seem so simple and easy. I always wonder what he could have made it look like if he consistently gave a crap.
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