That's right because you were there...
I concur. No matter which way this goes the reaction won't be pretty. But if rioting occurs it will just feed the frenzy.
That's right because you were there...
What's your opinion on how the whole thing went down?
I never said take guns away from people. i am saying taking guns away from people playing cop. If you do not understand the difference then I do not know what to tell you.
I own three guns. I would never take them out on neighborhood patrol. See the difference? And way to link the Guardian.
No grand jury: What does that mean for George Zimmerman?
"The decision should not be considered a factor in the final determination of the case," Corey's office said in a statement Monday. "At this time, the investigation continues and there will be no further comment from this office."
Corey has had three options: to file charges against Mr. Zimmerman, drop the case, or send it before the grand jury. And despite expectations that the jury might convene this week, Corey had indicated earlier that she might not use that option, saying that she has never before used a grand jury to decide on filing charges in a possible homicide case.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2012/04...=Google+Reader
Option 4 is that she can determine that she doesn't have enough at this time to charge him but not drop it either.
I don't understand the difference. You are saying you are ok with people carrying guns but not people in a security role? wtf.
I think a lot of this could be solved with threat neutralization training. Instead of shooting to kill, which is permanent, gun owners should be trained to shoot certain target areas like the knee or hand (if the attacker is holding a knife). Travon would still be alive if Zimmerman had shot him in the knee. There would still be senseless shootings but at least the person wouldn't be dead.
If Z weren't empowered/emboldened to be carrying a gun, M would be alive.
like most gun fetishists, Z is a less bully
This violates every principle of firearms training. You only shoot if you are prepared to kill. If you aren't prepared to kill them you don't pull the gun. You can kill someone just as easily by shooting the femoral artery in the leg as shooting them in the heart.
The better answer is to make them do extensive certifications like private security guards if they are going to carry any self defense weapon on neighborhood watch. Private security firms have certification classes for virtually every weapon...guns, tasers, batons, etc.
I wasn't talking about shooting the femoral artery. I was only talking about shooting to slow down the thread. Just not killing it. You can also kills someone by hitting them with a brick in the right spot. But that doesn't mean that you have to choose that spot to hit them with the brick.
I agree with the certifications but they need to be combined with specific target training. If you were being attacked but weren't sure of the motive of the attacker, a well placed shot to the knee or foot would slow things down enough for you to gather yourself and take more time to figure out the whole situation.
That kid is dead because Zimmerman was playing cop and had no idea wtf he was doing. He tried to detain him got his ass beat and shot him. Leave law enforcement to the professionals granted authority by our elected governments and not to any head that decides they want to play cop.
You must be an amazing person that in the moment of being attacked (or even laying on your back with your assailant sitting on your chest and your head being pounded into the concrete) you could cooly and calmly select the exact spot on your attackers anatomy to shoot him that would slow him down without really hurting him.
It's just training. Repe ion over and over again until it becomes second nature where to shoot and how. It's not so different than learning any of the martial arts. In fact, there are some that include Gun Kata in a serious discussion when talking about martial arts.
In any event, if Zimmerman would have been trained in thread neutralization targeting, we'd get to hear Travon's side of the story as well.
Oh really? And you were an eyewitness to the events you are describing? You know with absolute certainty that Zimmerman tried to detain Martin?
Your argument is really irrelevant, especially with LE. They are never going to change their procedures from shoot to kill.
We're not initially talking about LE. I'm talking about neighborhood watchers. If Zimmerman had gone through the proper training on where to shoot someone without killing them, we'd have Travon's side of the story as well.
Furthermore, they should install a program where the caliber of gun you are allowed to use is based on the results of your threat neutralization training. So in this case, since Zimmerman didn't have any training, he would be limited to smaller caliber guns. So those that were highly accurate, could use the higher caliber weapons. So in this case, Travon might still be alive if Zimmerman had shot him with a .22.
You still don't seem to get it. If you want to incapacitate them use a freaking taser or pepper spray. You should never pull a gun unless you are prepared to kill them.
I was reading some comments about this case and I keep seeing how Martin deserves to be killed because he was a "thug" or looked liked one because of his attire, which would be the hoodie. It got me thinking, you know how people of Crookshank's ilk would see a muslim in their garb and automatically think "TERRORIST!"? What if it's the same is with black people and hoodies? A hoodie is normal to me just as with a muslim and their garb so if I see a black guy wearing it, "THUG!" doesn't scream out at me, but obviously a lot of people more than I expected thinks otherwise. I now wonder how many people perceived me as a thug because I wore a hoodie that day or how close I've come to being shot, killed, and/or followed.
Nobody said he deserved to die because he was wearing a hoodie.
I don't think you get it really. With a gun, you do have the option of eventually killing the attacker. But you also have the non-lethal option of slowing them down. The idea of the threat neutralization target training would be for a gun toter to shoot at a incapacitating target first. Then assess the situation to determine if deadly force is then needed. With a taser or pepper spray, you take away your final play. It's be like starting out a chess game without a bishop.
WTF?
There is nothing in the rules that says you can't carry both. If the guy is on the ground pissing his pants after getting tased you clearly wouldn't need to shoot him.
BTW, I've seen deer shot in the knee die within 60 seconds.
Oh no I'm talking about comments on other various sites. I'd read comments like "If it walks like a duck..." or something like "Don't dress like one and you won't get shot". You know, like that. They are obviously referring to the hoodie. Then we got Geraldo attributing the hoodie as part of the cause that got him killed.
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