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    We're not initially talking about LE. I'm talking about neighborhood watchers. If Zimmerman had gone through the proper training on where to shoot someone without killing them, we'd have Travon's side of the story as well.
    Are you saying that someone who wants to watch his neighborhood has to go through training?? Who would certify them? the government? How much would it cost?

    So people have to pay to protect their private property but shouldn't have to pay to have an id so they can vote?
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    And I think that you probably have never fired a pistol.
    I agree with cc that if you ever shoot at someone it should be to kill. if you don't kill them and neutralize them as a threat then the better for both of yall.
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    How do you know he had no idea wtf he was doing(i'm assuming you are talking about handling a gun)?

    How do you know he tried to detain him? All we know for a fact is that he was following him. From there it goes to a dead guy and zimmerman's story.

    I don't understand your absolute trust in police. I think they do a great job. I just don't think they can be in a million places at once. I grew up in a neighborhood that got their cars broken into on a nightly basis. When you tried to get the cops involved, they would tell you it wasn't an important crime to them and they would patrol but they couldn't be in the neighborhood all night. They knew when the kids were breaking into cars but couldn't stop them.
    he followed the kid and blasted the kid when the kid kicked his ass. I don't trust cops but i trust pussies with guns (who are not cops already)alot less
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    Are you saying that someone who wants to watch his neighborhood has to go through training?? Who would certify them? the government? How much would it cost?

    So people have to pay to protect their private property but shouldn't have to pay to have an id so they can vote?
    yeah, I think so. Have the government certify them. i don't know the cost. Maybe $19 or so? Maybe combine it with some other national agency.
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    he followed the kid and blasted the kid when the kid kicked his ass. I don't trust cops but i trust pussies with guns (who are not cops already)alot less
    He followed the kid and called 911. From their his story changes from your assumption.
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    I agree with cc that if you ever shoot at someone it should be to kill. if you don't kill them and neutralize them as a threat then the better for both of yall.
    Yeah, it seems silly to try to shoot someone in the knee. Then standing over them while making the decision to shoot them dead. Preposterous. But maybe nanotechnology will help solve some of this.
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    yeah, I think so. Have the government certify them. i don't know the cost. Maybe $19 or so? Maybe combine it with some other national agency.
    Oh well I adamantly disagree with that.
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    Oh well I adamantly disagree with that.
    I agree. It seems farfetched and a terribly inefficient choice.

    edit: made no sense
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    A grand jury will not look into the Trayvon Martin case, a special prosecutor said Monday, leaving the decision of whether to charge the teen's shooter in her hands alone and eliminating the possibility of a first-degree murder charge.


    That prosecutor, Angela Corey, said her decision had no bearing on whether she would file charges against George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer who has said he shot the unarmed black teen in self-defense. Corey could still decide to charge him with a serious felony such as manslaughter, which can carry a lengthy prison sentence if he is convicted.


    A grand jury had been set to meet Tuesday in Sanford, about 20 miles northeast of Orlando.


    Corey has long had a reputation for not using grand juries if it wasn't necessary. In Florida, only first-degree murder cases require the use of grand juries.
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    So when does this story die? Anyone else tired of hearing about it?
    The guy will probably get jumped by Black Panthers or a Malcom X tribute band and be killed. Would liberals support that? They don't support the death penalty so I'm guessing they would make an exception since the victim would be an evil half white KKK member?
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    How do you know he had no idea wtf he was doing(i'm assuming you are talking about handling a gun)?

    How do you know he tried to detain him? All we know for a fact is that he was following him. From there it goes to a dead guy and zimmerman's story.

    I don't understand your absolute trust in police. I think they do a great job. I just don't think they can be in a million places at once. I grew up in a neighborhood that got their cars broken into on a nightly basis. When you tried to get the cops involved, they would tell you it wasn't an important crime to them and they would patrol but they couldn't be in the neighborhood all night. They knew when the kids were breaking into cars but couldn't stop them.
    Absolute trust in police? Lie making up about what i think of the average cop? All it means is that i have more faith in those that are trained in law enforcement and granted authority by our republic.

    Its pretty obvious you guys just contra any position that i have. Now according to you and CC, its okay for any guy to go out and carry guns and play cop. Its ing stupid.

    Protecting yourself and your property is something that is important for every American. Playing law enforcement without training or authority is something completely else. Like i said if you cannot understand that IDK what to tell you. Zimmerman was patrolling the neighborhood and in no way shape or form was he protecting his own property when he decided to tail Tray.

    I want people trained and granted authority to do that and not jsut anyone to arbitrarily decide to do that because like this happens. If Zimmerman didn't have that gun i doubt he would have followed Tray and would have called the real authority as he was asked to do.

    Now the kid is dead. Vigilante laws prevent this kind of things from happening and is exactly why most states have them. Zimmerman should not have the right to play cop unless he is accepted by his local police force.
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    You're trolling me hard now. The grip is only a couple of inches. You can't stack 17 rounds of 9 mm unless the magazine was sticking out down to your waist.
    You mean this doesn't work:

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    You mean this doesn't work:

    You can draw whatever you want but that doesn't mean it will work. When I was little, I used to draw spaceships but not a single one would have flown.
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    Absolute trust in police? Lie making up about what i think of the average cop? All it means is that i have more faith in those that are trained in law enforcement and granted authority by our republic.

    Its pretty obvious you guys just contra any position that i have. Now according to you and CC, its okay for any guy to go out and carry guns and play cop. Its ing stupid.

    Protecting yourself and your property is something that is important for every American. Playing law enforcement without training or authority is something completely else. Like i said if you cannot understand that IDK what to tell you. Zimmerman was patrolling the neighborhood and in no way shape or form was he protecting his own property when he decided to tail Tray.

    I want people trained and granted authority to do that and not jsut anyone to arbitrarily decide to do that because like this happens. If Zimmerman didn't have that gun i doubt he would have followed Tray and would have called the real authority as he was asked to do.

    Now the kid is dead. Vigilante laws prevent this kind of things from happening and is exactly why most states have them. Zimmerman should not have the right to play cop unless he is accepted by his local police force.
    Have faith my brother. There are plenty of reasons not to trust the police and plenty of reasons to trust the police. Same goes for gun carrying civilians. If you are honest with yourself you will see both sides. Do some research on both including why we even have police. Do some feel good stories on how a gun saved a victims life. It will open your eyes a little brighter and you will understand and sympathize.

    As for young Trevor Martin he has all eyes of our government/media/citizens on the case. Including Obama. Justice will prevail, laws will be updated or re written. We will all learn and be better because of what happened before,after and durning. Let it go. It's being taking care of. God bless

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    You can draw whatever you want but that doesn't mean it will work. When I was little, I used to draw spaceships but not a single one would have flown.


    damn you are stubborn.

    I already posted the specs on the Glock 17. It's a double stack 9 millimeter that holds 17 rounds. It's the most popular law enforcement pistol in the world.

    Just admit you didn't know what the you were talking about and move on.
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    damn you are stubborn.

    I already posted the specs on the Glock 17. It's a double stack 9 millimeter that holds 17 rounds. It's the most popular law enforcement pistol in the world.

    Just admit you didn't know what the you were talking about and move on.
    Like I said, I can make up specs on anything but that doesn't make it mechanically sound. I feel like I'm being trolled her but I'll go ahead and humor you. They name pistols after the caliber of bullet. Glock 17, 9, 40, etc. It's exactly why it's one of the most popular revolvers among both law enforcement and the public. It's one of the easiest guns to understand. Including the name. It's the same with hunting rifles. Winchester 70 (70 caliber) Remington 223 (223 caliber). Etc.
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    Have faith my brother. There are plenty of reasons not to trust the police and plenty of reasons to trust the police. Same goes for gun carrying civilians. If you are honest with yourself you will see both sides. Do some research on both including why we even have police. Do some feel good stories on how a gun saved a victims life. It will open your eyes a little brighter and you will understand and sympathize.

    As for young Trevor Martin he has all eyes of our government/media/citizens on the case. Including Obama. Justice will prevail, laws will be updated or re written. We will all learn and be better because of what happened before,after and durning. Let it go. It's being taking care of. God bless

    "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding."
    Have faith? Its about having the proper training and authority to do the job without people getting hurt or the law being broken while doing it. When dealing with people you have to plan for the LCD so while there may be paragons out there, you will also have people like Zimmerman that cannot even follow simple instructions.

    Why not give kids guns?
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    Have faith? Its about having the proper training and authority to do the job without people getting hurt or the law being broken while doing it. When dealing with people you have to plan for the LCD so while there may be paragons out there, you will also have people like Zimmerman that cannot even follow simple instructions.

    Why not give kids guns?
    Yes my brother, have faith. Look for the positives instead of concentrating on the negatives. Surrender to your anger. Give yourself time to heal. Police are properly trained. That's a positive. Of course they have bad apples as well as civilians who carry guns. The few bad seeds tend to overshadow the majority of the good ones.

    It's illegal to give kids guns. I think 18 for rifle, 21 for handgun. Might want to google. God bless.
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    You can draw whatever you want but that doesn't mean it will work. When I was little, I used to draw spaceships but not a single one would have flown.
    LOL...

    That's how a common magazine is laid out. The AR-15 magazines of 20 and 30 rounds are done like that. I only showed how the bullets are laid in. Of course it's a little higher and needs room for the spring in the bottom.

    I have seen and used such magazines in various weapons. You think you understand without ever seeing one.



    Click on the pic for the link.
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    Maybe I should be more specific. This one is for a Glock 17:

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    I was talking to this guy who knows a lot about guns and stuff…He feels that George Zimmerman should not have been carrying a firearm…
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    LOL...

    That's how a common magazine is laid out. The AR-15 magazines of 20 and 30 rounds are done like that. I only showed how the bullets are laid in. Of course it's a little higher and needs room for the spring in the bottom.

    I have seen and used such magazines in various weapons. You think you understand without ever seeing one.



    Click on the pic for the link.
    Enter Strawman. Yeah, I'm sure it's doable for a 15 caliber. The suction needed to pull the bullets up would be much less than for a 17 or 9 or 40.
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    I was talking to this guy who knows a lot about guns and stuff…He feels that George Zimmerman should not have been carrying a firearm…
    Based om what? What he hears from the mainscream news?
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    It’s like you could just see something bad was going to happen…Some hot temper guy driving around with his assault pistol looking for trouble…
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    So when does this story die? Anyone else tired of hearing about it?
    The guy will probably get jumped by Black Panthers or a Malcom X tribute band and be killed. Would liberals support that? They don't support the death penalty so I'm guessing they would make an exception since the victim would be an evil half white KKK member?
    Don't think it will go away until the results from the investigations come out and it may not even go away then depending on the results. There are still rallies and protests going on in Florida right now. I think yesterday, they staged a protest in front of the Sanford Police Dept.

    The Black Panther thing, they aren't going to do a damn thing like that.
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