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    this sounds more like the crime:
    How could you possibly know?
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    How could you possibly know?
    Hes not a lawyer but he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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    The primary distinction between Premeditated First Degree Murder and Second Degree Murder with a Depraved Mind is that First Degree Murder requires a specific and premeditated intent to kill.

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    Premeditation being the distinction...not intent.

    I'll be interested to see how the prosecutor arrived at the charge because, there's nothing in the public record that points to murder.
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    Premeditation being the distinction...not intent.

    I'll be interested to see how the prosecutor arrived at the charge because, there's nothing in the public record that points to murder.
    We'll find out. I do agree with you it's pointless to pick sides. I'm just glad he'll be tried for ending a life. If he was right to do so, then he'll be cleared.
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    We'll find out. I do agree with you it's pointless to pick sides. I'm just glad he'll be tried for ending a life. If he was right to do so, then he'll be cleared.
    I'm OK with that.

    Watched the entire special prosecutor press conference on line.

    IMHO just a fatter Marcia Clarke.

    Hopefully we won't get the topless vacation pictures.
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    Zimmerman turned himself in...

    Can he now claim the $10,000 new black panther reward?

    Seems only fair.
    , a stadium full of black panthers couldn't scrape together 10 grand.
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    I'm OK with that.

    Watched the entire special prosecutor press conference on line.

    IMHO just a fatter Marcia Clarke.

    Hopefully we won't get the topless vacation pictures.
    Based on what? Her resume looked very impressive.
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    Based on what? Her resume looked very impressive.
    You have a dead kid and a guy in a trial for his life...you aren't supposed to be smiling like you just won the lottery.
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    Zimmerman turned himself in...

    Can he now claim the $10,000 new black panther reward?

    Seems only fair.
    , a stadium full of black panthers couldn't scrape together 10 grand.
    c'mon cowboy, you didn't think thats funny?
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    Hes not a lawyer but he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
    . Got anything more recent?

    Stellar comment. Way to stay with current events, Leno.
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    How could you possibly know?
    How could I possibly know what?
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    ...That it doesn't sound like pre-meditated?
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    It's not like manslaughter won't be an option to the jury though right?

    In the Casey Anthony trial they had a list of charges all the way from murder 1 to manslaughter to choose from. Unless I'm completely out to lunch, can't the jury still convict for manslaughter?
    That's what she was charged with. So far they aren't charging him with manslaughter.
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    So here we go. The law as is worked. Now we non-Floridians can stop demanding that they change their laws.


    It still needs to be changed. Z being brought to trial doesn't change the fact that the stand your ground stuff is fundamentally flawed.
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    How could I possibly know what?
    What "sounds more like this crime"?
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    Well, they're going to have to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, Zimmerman had criminal intent that resulted in Martin's death.
    Good luck finding a jury you have to prove anything to, I don't know how they'll find people that can listen to the evidence objectively. Zimmerman was criminally negligent and knowingly put himself in a position that was dangerous...but intent to kill is hard to prove given the evidence in the media so far. That doesn't matter tho, Floridians are pissed that Casey Anthony got off and they don't want to look bad so I'm sure they'll crucify Zimmerman in her place.

    Hopefully the story starts to go away now that "the people" feel like they might have had an affect on this case. The way they -guzzled this story when far worse crimes are committed amongst minority communities and by law enforcement agencies shows how stupid "the people" are. No one would have cared about this if the dude wasn't tagged "white" and that picture of a little boy isn't used. Maybe Zimmerman will shoot himself first and then the story can go away and I can get back to watching funny MSNBC news shows again.

    lol justice
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    Zimmerman's been charged with what's normally called "depraved heart" murder. It could be equated with gross recklessness. At trial, either the prosecution or defense can request jury instructions on lesser included offenses. In some jurisdictions, voluntary manslaughter would qualify as a lesser-included of second-degree murder (in capital cases, it's required as an instruction). Assuming Florida follows this model (and I don't know if it does), either side could request this instruction and Zimmerman could still be convicted of manslaughter, implicitly acquitting him of any murder charge.
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    I'm OK with that.

    Watched the entire special prosecutor press conference on line.

    IMHO just a fatter Marcia Clarke.

    Hopefully we won't get the topless vacation pictures.
    That remark leads me to believe that your mind is made up and you already feel he is not guilty. I know you are being sarcastic but damn.
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    c'mon cowboy, you didn't think thats funny?
    Belated
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    . Got anything more recent?

    Stellar comment. Way to stay with current events, Leno.
    You are making declarative statements on the law when its obvious you obviously have no expertise. Is that better?

    I also only watch TV on the DVR for sports. Everything else I DL. I take it as a good thing that I am not up on TV pop culture.
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    That remark leads me to believe that your mind is made up and you already feel he is not guilty. I know you are being sarcastic but damn.
    All the cards haven't been turned over yet.

    Based on the ones I have seen I'm betting not guilty.

    I'm a decent poker player but I lose hands all the time.
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    There is one problem with that. I am innocent.
    You're guilty of lame comedic trolling
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    It still needs to be changed. Z being brought to trial doesn't change the fact that the stand your ground stuff is fundamentally flawed.
    But the state is saying that this isn't 'stand your ground'. Why do you want to change a states law you don't live in? Unless you do live there.
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    But the state is saying that this isn't 'stand your ground'. Why do you want to change a states law you don't live in? Unless you do live there.
    Legislators say the statute is overbroad and has been used in unintended ways. Prosecutors say it's preventing them from doing their jobs. I understand letting a state control their penal code, but this law seems like it's hindering justice. Someone can take an interest in that without being a Floridian.
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    Good on all counts, except the last one. Sharpton will turn this into a god dammned circus in short order.
    Will?

    Where have you been?
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