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Had the struggle resulted in the death of Zimmerman, you wouldn't have heard of this story.
but please tell me, CC, how many times you've shot or stood next to a 140 lb person being shot in the chest at close range ?
Had the struggle resulted in the death of Zimmerman, you wouldn't have heard of this story.
Really? Microseconds?
Okay, you're pretty much in my wheelhouse [well, from a few decades ago -- anyway] here, rjv. I have had conversations with people in asystole -- briefly, but, longer than "microseconds," I assure you.
I have seen a person who was kicked in the chest by a bull, breaking his ribs and driving one through his heart, walk from the arena and die as he was climbing the fence.
You are right, v-fib is a fatal arrhythmia but, not necessarily one that induces unconsciousness immediately. You're probably thinking of v-fib that is subsequent to another arrhythmia caused by a disease process or acute illness. Yes, people who suffer heart attacks will, sometimes fall unconscious when their heart rhythm converts to ventricular fibrillation but, that usually after the heart has been struggling to maintain a normal beat, for some time, while the victim became increasingly weak and lethargic.
Immediate onset of a fatal arrhythmia, in an otherwise healthy heart, does not necessarily result in immediate unconsciousness or loss of motor skills.
Find the video of that umpire collapsing (I've searched You Tube unsuccessfully) -- it's one of the better examples. You can tell when his heart converted to an abnormal rhythm because he notices and tries to leave the field, he walks about 10 to 15 feet before losing consciousness.
One would hope but, the prosecutor did say the decision to charge Zimmerman was made last week. I forget when she was appointed but, certainly, there would have been time to review the physical evidence.
From what's reported, he wasn't standing but, on top of Zimmerman fighting. But, to your point, it's absolutely possible for someone, suffering a chest wound -- even involving the heart, to not only remain standing for a period of time but, to actually get up off the ground and walk.
There's also another possibility that would explain Trayvon's apparent ability to continue moving around after being shot in the chest.
It could be the bullet only perforated a major vessel or the heart and it was only after Martin, realizing he was shot, jumped up and started moving that the perforation dissected and resulted in a catastrophic loss of blood pressure and the resulting death.
I've seen that happen too.
That's your straw man.
As a hunter all my life and later a part time professional hunting guide I have shot or seen shot hundreds of animals with bigger bullets traveling faster than a 9mm pistol slug. I've seen real world gun shots and done autopsies on the wounds as part of the eviceration and meat preparation process. I have trailed deer hundreds of yards that were shot squarely in the heart destroying the heart completely but running and dodging obstacles etc. for at least a minute before finally collapsing and bleeding out.
And yes, I know I'm talking about deer and not humans but the physiology is not that different. Deer don't just collapse when shot unless bone is broken making them unable to run, but they still don't die immediately from a center body mass shot. People are the same.
This ain't TV buckwheat.
great. all the defense has to do is bring in an expert on shooting quadripeds. i'm sure the jurors will be convinced.
Here ya go dumbass. A similar shooting of a man caught on video close up.
Your ignorance is showing.
This is real life and not some movie stunt man flopping over dead at the gunshot.
Yonivore- What do you do for a living?
Well, I'm not a hunter [which would explain why I didn't think of it] but, videos of this process would be a lot easier to find on the internet than of humans going through it.
Here's one...
When I lost sight of the lion, it was still running through the forest...no doubt it collapsed shortly but, nonetheless, it suffered a catastrophic chest wound and still had the capacity to remain conscious and move.
A) I specifically chose one where the wound produced copious blood flow so there would be no mistaking there was an injury to a major vessel or the heart.
B) I apologize for the rednecks.
I'm retired.
OK may I ask what did you used to do? Where did you acquire all this medical knowledge?
to what degree of probability ? i mean, how many people have you seen shot at point blank range in the chest get up and walk several feet ?
Or, you could find a real video...even though I'm not sure I would have posted it.
o, I haven't seen you in ages. Take care.
I think we all just did.
But, to your question, I've only personally seen one person who was shot multiple times, get out of a car and run about 30 feet before collapsing. Three of the bullet wounds were to his chest and one hit his heart. The shots were fired from about six inches to four feet as the officer retreated away from the car, firing his revolver (four of his six shots hit their target).
Incidentally, the man survived.
However, I've seen quite a number of dead (not many injured because well, unless you were lucky enough - as the man I just described was - to have emergency medical personnel right there to begin resuscitation and blood volume replacement treatments, such injuries usually result in death) that physically moved, on their own, from the point where they incurred the fatal injury to the point where they died. Probably in the dozens but, less than 50.
I just posted a video for you of the cops shooting a guy about Martins size dead center in the chest right in the heart and he is still walking around and talking until he finally bleeds out.
How much more proof do you need that you are wrong?
Spent some time in emergency medicine...a lifetime ago.
As a doctor, nurse, technician?
Why is that important? Any of those would be exposed, and have a great deal of familiarity, with what I've described.
I'm not interested in revealing more about myself that necessary. You can take my claims at face value or not, makes no difference to me.
OR tech
I am just curious who I am conversing with…Nothing more than that…You seem to have medical knowledge…I thought maybe you were a medic, EMT or something…
this is not about an instance. this is about an exact same instance. and probability. if the medical examiner shows that the autopsy indicates trayvon was shot in the aorta that would strongly indicate death within a matter of heartbeats. the further from the heart the slower the bleed.
fortunately, the prosecutor will not have to rely on youtube but rather an actually autopsy and testimony from the medical examiner.
Yes, I was, in a high trauma area for about 10 years.
It wasn't that you asked it's the trolls that will start sniping and needling -- as Clambake has already.
I'm really not interested in making that much personal information about myself available on here.
whats your problem? OR techs watch people die every day.
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