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    phobes should consider a little self-reflection, suggests a new study finding those individuals who are most hostile toward gays and hold strong anti-gay views may themselves have same-sex desires, albeit undercover ones.

    The prejudice of phobia may also stem from authoritarian parents, particularly those with phobic views as well, the researchers added.

    "This study shows that if you are feeling that kind of visceral reaction to an out-group, ask yourself, 'Why?'" co-author Richard Ryan, a professor of psychology at the University of Rochester, said in a statement. "Those intense emotions should serve as a call to self-reflection."

    The research, published in the April 2012 issue of the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, reveals the nuances of prejudices like phobia, which can ultimately have dire consequences.

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    "Sometimes people are threatened by gays and lesbians because they are fearing their own impulses, in a sense they 'doth protest too much,'" Ryan told LiveScience. "In addition, it appears that sometimes those who would oppress others have been oppressed themselves, and we can have some compassion for them too, they may be unaccepting of others because they cannot be accepting of themselves."

    Ryan cautioned, however, that this link is only one source of anti-gay sentiments.

    Rest of the article here.
    http://www.livescience.com/19563-hom...mosexuals.html

    This ought to be an interesting thread.

    I must say that the first thing that popped into my mind was Santorum's sweater vests...

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    "Shocker"...chuckle

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    Rest of the article here.
    http://www.livescience.com/19563-hom...mosexuals.html

    This ought to be an interesting thread.

    I must say that the first thing that popped into my mind was Santorum's sweater vests...

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    Did it have anything to say about phobophobes?

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    Did it have anything to say about phobophobes?
    Were you looking for it to say they may be hidden heterosexuals?

    Militant phobes can be scary, imo.

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    I play pretty, no? TeyshaBlue's Avatar
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    hobophobes?

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    Coulrophobes secretly want to be clowns.

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    This is purely anecdotal, but I had a good friend who would often say negative things about gay people (even imagined things like, "Ugh was that woman checking me out?" when there wasn't any flirtation)... and she came out a few years after I knew her. Again, purely anecdotal.

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    Kinda bull . I mean of course it could happen. Seems more of that "You don't like gay people? Then you are a phobe! Which means you are gay. If you don't want to be gay, support the gay movement!" science of a few months ago (in fact, I think I read it on this forum too).

    And the people like me that are ok with normal gay people, but hate transve es?

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    I am that guy RandomGuy's Avatar
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    Kinda bull . I mean of course it could happen. Seems more of that "You don't like gay people? Then you are a phobe! Which means you are gay. If you don't want to be gay, support the gay movement!" science of a few months ago (in fact, I think I read it on this forum too).

    And the people like me that are ok with normal gay people, but hate transve es?
    If one studies these at udes from a scientific standpoint, and finds this rather distinct tendency, it is what it is.

    If you think it is bull , then get out and do some actual scientific study that shows it is.

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    I think you need to define phobia. This is ridiculous though.

    In a college class, There was a study about boys who were molested, in large percentages, do one of two things: become gay or become very anti-gay. I don't think there is any way to scientifically analyze sexual community. Although I doubt you were looking for a real conversation anyways.

    Good luck with your nonsense

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    Coulrophobes secretly want to be clowns.
    Are you a phobe Darrin?

    Oh and there is a difference between children being afraid of clowns and growing up with said fear because of the experience and just being afraid of gays with no direct experience with sexuals. I suppose if you were molested as a child that would be different but fear typically develops through experience and it bears to reason that having those feelings yourself could create the phobia.

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    The old you don't like sexuals you must be one arguments. It's a classic. I think there is much older saying. God bless.

    "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."

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    S fish!!

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    The way I see it as long as there is no eye contact, then it isn't gay.

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    While I'm sure that there are some phobes in the world whose extreme anti-gay bias covers for feelings they may be trying to suppress, I think this applies to such a negligible percentage of phobes that the claim actually does a disservice to the equality movement. I find the argument pretty childish, to be honest.

    I don't see what so hard to believe about the idea that because people are raised by their parents/religion/friends to believe that sexuality is an abomination, this causes them to be uncomfortable or even hateful towards gays. A lot of it also comes from the fear so many parents have that their kids are somehow more likely to be gay if they are exposed to gay lifestyles during their development.

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    Remember a study I read in a sexual diversity class I took a few years ago on this topic. I can't remember all of the details, and I lack either the motivation or the energy to look through all of my old class readings to find it, but it had to do with the reaction of straight identified men to gay male pornography.

    I don't think that any of the people who participated in the study were super hard core angry phobes, but they started by having all of the men fill out a lengthy questionnaire and each man's answers were analyzed and they were placed along a scale ranging from tolerance to acceptance to phobic. The men were then hooked up to sensors that measure changes in penile cir ference and shown pornography. I can't remember the order they showed the scenes, or if all groups got the same order, but each group was shown one scene of straight porn, one scene of lesbian porn, and one scene of gay male porn. In most cases, the guys who ranked higher on the phobia scale were more likely to get erections during the gay porn. Sometimes larger and longer lasting than they had for the straight and lesbian porn.

    I don't, personally, think that study necessarily indicates that all phobes are , but it was interesting nonetheless.

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    I don't like horror movies or do I. God bless

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    "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."
    Did one of them puncture the colon? That happens when boys do that to girls too, ya know.

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    While I'm sure that there are some phobes in the world whose extreme anti-gay bias covers for feelings they may be trying to suppress, I think this applies to such a negligible percentage of phobes that the claim actually does a disservice to the equality movement. I find the argument pretty childish, to be honest.

    I don't see what so hard to believe about the idea that because people are raised by their parents/religion/friends to believe that sexuality is an abomination, this causes them to be uncomfortable or even hateful towards gays. A lot of it also comes from the fear so many parents have that their kids are somehow more likely to be gay if they are exposed to gay lifestyles during their development.
    In general I agree with this, and especially the first bit, but it's hard for me to ignore how often the most aggressive phobic at udes are usually from men and are usually only about male sexuality. I'm less inclined to believe it to be a religious or moral opposition to sexuality in general when phobic guys are still into watching hot women go down on each other.

    But, yes, the immediate jump to the suggestion that phobes are closet cases is a lazy one.

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    its like the old saying goes......"you doth protest too much"

    guilty because you harp about it too much.

    I see sexuality as a big support group of people who have been sexually molested and are trying there best to get through life. As long as they don't harbor any pedophilic feeilings I have no problem with how they cope with their personal demons...skeletons.

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    Can we get some clarity on the issue of the meaning of the word phobia? Doesn't it mean the "fear" of sexuals? Why do people equate fear with hate? I've never known any human beings that were genuinely scared of sexuals. I've known people that hated or disliked sexuals.
    People that are scared of flying don't hate airplanes or freak out when they see a plane in the sky. Just an example.

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    The old you don't like sexuals you must be one arguments. It's a classic. I think there is much older saying. God bless.

    "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."
    Are you saying sexuals should be killed?

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    Who isn't afraid of s? They have AIDS!

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