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    The big three were younger not because of him
    Did Pop not have a hand in drafting the big 3? Sure, Duncan was a lock at #1. But the draft steals of Ginobili and Parker?

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    Did Pop not have a hand in drafting the big 3? Sure, Duncan was a lock at #1. But the draft steals of Ginobili and Parker?
    Pop didn't want Parker originally.

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    If Pop cannot be credited with the 4, he cannot be blamed for losing one.

    Pop is the best coach in the league, hands down. Just ask other teams' fans if they would trade their coach for Pop.
    The other teams don't have the players the spurs have

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    If Pop cannot be credited with the 4, he cannot be blamed for losing one.

    Pop is the best coach in the league, hands down. Just ask other teams' fans if they would trade their coach for Pop.
    See that's just it though. Fans of other teams don't really get a chance to see what his flaws are. They just know his resume and they know that the Spurs are a team they're most likely going to lose to. Ergo they conclude that winning=excellent, flawless coaching.

    Thing is, there's a point where the flaws of even a great coach can start to drag a team down. Some have longer shelf lives than others but coaches can decline imo and those signs might not be obvious to other fanbases until they're impossible to hide.

    Not that I'm saying Pop isn't one of the best ever, because he is, but if some of these fanbases knew every last detail like we do I'm sure that there are likely some that wouldn't make the switch without thinking it over first.

    That's just my 2 cents though.

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    He won't do it for the simple fact that everyone wants him to do it.
    Serious question.

    Outside of people like us who post about the Spurs on the internet, who comprises this "everyone" that you think Pop is stubbornly ignoring? Because he's not ignoring us, he isn't aware that we exist.

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    Serious question.

    Outside of people like us who post about the Spurs on the internet, who comprises this "everyone" that you think Pop is stubbornly ignoring? Because he's not ignoring us, he isn't aware that we exist.

    lol its like yelling at the players on tv they cant hear u but u feel it helps

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    everyone in here obviously knows what's best for this organization do lets fire pop and R.C....who do we replace them with???

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    See that's just it though. Fans of other teams don't really get a chance to see what his flaws are. They just know his resume and they know that the Spurs are a team they're most likely going to lose to. Ergo they conclude that winning=excellent, flawless coaching.
    Wrong. You don't get to see other teams' coaching flaws, like having better talent and losing just the same, or playing a 35 year old guy 40 minutes a night even in meaningless games, or letting your star player dance on the sideline during the game.

    There are some pretty savvy fans out there who pay attention, and they agree Pop is the best in the league. Even Phil had his flaws. He couldn't develop a player for .
    Thing is, there's a point where the flaws of even a great coach can start to drag a team down. Some have longer shelf lives than others but coaches can decline imo and those signs might not be obvious to other fanbases until they're impossible to hide.
    There's flaws and then there's things you consider flaws that the front office does not. It's hard to argue with Pop's recipe when it works so well, when the Spurs are the winningest franchise in professional sports, when they continue to win games despite lackluster performances by their focal point.

    You cannot just deny him that because he doesn't see rotations how you would like.
    Not that I'm saying Pop isn't one of the best ever, because he is, but if some of these fanbases knew every last detail like we do I'm sure that there are likely some that wouldn't make the switch without thinking it over first.
    You don't know every last detail. You don't have any information that's not available to everyone else. You think a certain combo would work better but it's just a guess. You would give this guy more minutes, play this guy less, sit this guy totally. You would be just another short term coach who has all the answers until the starting tipoff.
    That's just my 2 cents though.
    Mine too.

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    everyone in here obviously knows what's best for this organization do lets fire pop and R.C....who do we replace them with???
    Avery Johnson and Steve Kerr.

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    I would like to have faith in my head coach...i say pop doesn't play splitter with Duncan against the fakers because he doesn't want mike brown to get a look at it before the playoffs...also tiago and Ginobili are a great combination, why mess that up?

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    The other teams don't have the players the spurs have
    The Lakers have more talent than the Spurs have. So does the Heat. We have a better record than both. We aren't as playoff strong as they are, but we have what we have and there's only so many different ways to stack the same logs. Eventually you're going to end up with the same team.

    You think you have better players because you watch these guys exclusively, but your better team barely got past a gimmick Suns squad a few years back. This team hasn't been a true championship caliber squad since they lost Bowen. Rotations won't fix that.

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    2006-Thanks Pop
    You stubborn asshole.
    3-peat would of had nice ring to it.

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    Avery Johnson and Steve Kerr.
    Yep. Avery kicked ass in Dallas and is beasting in NJ. Steve Kerr really whipped the Suns into shape and his commentary on NBA Live is priceless.

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    I would like to have faith in my head coach...i say pop doesn't play splitter with Duncan against the fakers because he doesn't want mike brown to get a look at it before the playoffs...also tiago and Ginobili are a great combination, why mess that up?
    I would like to also but I don't, I lost it 3 years ago

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    Yep. Avery kicked ass in Dallas and is beasting in NJ. Steve Kerr really whipped the Suns into shape and his commentary on NBA Live is priceless.
    Drive for Five will be alive again.

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    Drive for Five will be alive again.
    Sometimes you're the bug, sometimes you're the windshield.

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    I would like to also but I don't, I lost it 3 years ago
    because we don't win a ring every year?

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    You don't know every last detail. You don't have any information that's not available to everyone else.
    This is a terrible take, tbh. Reminds me of "he must suck during practice".

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    Probably is an understatement.

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    Wrong. You don't get to see other teams' coaching flaws, like having better talent and losing just the same, or playing a 35 year old guy 40 minutes a night even in meaningless games, or letting your star player dance on the sideline during the game.
    Well yeah. But those are really really obvious ones. In the case of Pop, his methods are producing a lot of wins during the regular season. Fans of other teams will notice that he's running the same system as before and they'll appreciate his offensive sets. They'll appreciate his management of his players and that what he does wins games. Frankly, we all do.

    Due to the results, they won't notice that his rotations are mechanical and that other than Duncan, our decent bigs don't really get minutes although that seems to be changing somewhat this year in the case of Splitter.

    There are some pretty savvy fans out there who pay attention, and they agree Pop is the best in the league. Even Phil had his flaws. He couldn't develop a player for .

    There's flaws and then there's things you consider flaws that the front office does not. It's hard to argue with Pop's recipe when it works so well, when the Spurs are the winningest franchise in professional sports, when they continue to win games despite lackluster performances by their focal point.
    That's what I'm saying though. There are plenty of fans who wouldn't want Phil because of his flaws. On a young and developing team you wouldn't want Jackson as your coach. Got a team of talent-laden but established vets that can't work together? Phil's your man.

    I guess my point is that the same would likely extend to Pop if other fans knew about his tendency to overplay certain players, the way he holds to his system at all costs, and his stubbornness in doing so. Lots of double-edged traits in there that are likely being exposed more now that Tim isn't good enough to compensate any more.

    On a team like say the Wizards before the trade I don't think Pop would do as well because that group wasn't nearly as docile as these Spurs are.

    Jackson and Pop are both excellent coaches but they're good for different situations. People know more about Phil's flaws than Pop's. That's all I'm saying.

    And while his recipe has been working fine in the regular season, it hasn't been during the playoffs post 2008. Part of that is because the players have aged. Part of that is because he's made mistakes that have made things hard on the team.

    It looks like he's going in that direction again and that's why, I for one, don't think they're winning number 5 this year unless something changes. Sitting Blair in the second half was a step in the right direction.

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    Avery Johnson and Steve Kerr.
    RC is fine and so is Pop if he'd just make a few adjustments. If we had to replace them though I take Thibs and Presti.

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    RC is fine and so is Pop if he'd just make a few adjustments. If we had to replace them though I take Thibs and Presti.
    I know, was joking around. Would be awesome to have Presti back.

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    For me this isn't about if Splitter is great or a pile of . Spurs have no other bigs to rebound other than Blair snagging a few with his quickness.

    Why do you think we had Nazr and Rasho? Seriously now... SA cannot sit there and put this much weight on Timmy this late in this his historic 14 years. It's not all about rebounds. It's just the 2nd presence of a big man alone we lack! How ignorant is this? You get no second chances...

    I don't like playing 50/50 heading into the playoffs either.

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    Pop does not play Splitter maybe because Pop has NIH Syndrome

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    Well yeah. But those are really really obvious ones. In the case of Pop, his methods are producing a lot of wins during the regular season. Fans of other teams will notice that he's running the same system as before and they'll appreciate his offensive sets. They'll appreciate his management of his players and that what he does wins games. Frankly, we all do.

    Due to the results, they won't notice that his rotations are mechanical and that other than Duncan, our decent bigs don't really get minutes although that seems to be changing somewhat this year in the case of Splitter.



    That's what I'm saying though. There are plenty of fans who wouldn't want Phil because of his flaws. On a young and developing team you wouldn't want Jackson as your coach. Got a team of talent-laden but established vets that can't work together? Phil's your man.

    I guess my point is that the same would likely extend to Pop if other fans knew about his tendency to overplay certain players, the way he holds to his system at all costs, and his stubbornness in doing so. Lots of double-edged traits in there that are likely being exposed more now that Tim isn't good enough to compensate any more.

    On a team like say the Wizards before the trade I don't think Pop would do as well because that group wasn't nearly as docile as these Spurs are.

    Jackson and Pop are both excellent coaches but they're good for different situations. People know more about Phil's flaws than Pop's. That's all I'm saying.

    And while his recipe has been working fine in the regular season, it hasn't been during the playoffs post 2008. Part of that is because the players have aged. Part of that is because he's made mistakes that have made things hard on the team.

    It looks like he's going in that direction again and that's why, I for one, don't think they're winning number 5 this year unless something changes. Sitting Blair in the second half was a step in the right direction.
    They aren't winning number 5 because they don't have the talent or athleticism to win it. It's not because they don't have the coach to win it. Tim Duncan is a s of his former, totally overwhelming presence. If the Spurs win a ring, it's going to be because they put a string of wins together through great outside shooting and luckily avoided tough matchups.

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