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she probably hasn't heard about that fish passage.
A politician calling a non religious teen "evil"...CRANSTON, R.I. —She is 16, the daughter of a firefighter and a nurse, a self-proclaimed nerd who loves Harry Potter and Facebook. But Jessica Ahlquist is also an outspoken atheist who has incensed this heavily Roman Catholic city with a successful lawsuit to get a prayer removed from the wall of her high school auditorium, where it has hung for 49 years. A federal judge ruled this month that the prayer’s presence at Cranston High School West was uncons utional......
.......State Representative Peter G. Palumbo, a Democrat from Cranston, called Jessica “an evil little thing” on a popular talk radio show. Three separate florists refused to deliver her roses sent from a national atheist group. The group, the Freedom From Religion Foundation, has filed a complaint with the Rhode Island Commission for Human Rights.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/27/us...r-lawsuit.html
I don't know anything about Palumbo, but I still sense the irony oozing out of his mouth.
she probably hasn't heard about that fish passage.
She needs to learn the lesson: "Just because you can do something doesn't mean you have to do something".
Agreed. Although that politician was most definitely behaving badly.
The politician could benefit from the same lesson, I suspect.
That depends on what your conscience dictates I guess.
I don't think that less of a "lesson". It seems more like a cop-out for putting up with things that are unethical.
If they like her so much pay to get them delivered from a different townThree separate florists refused to deliver her roses sent from a national atheist group. The group, the Freedom From Religion Foundation, has filed a complaint with the Rhode Island Commission for Human Rights.
Unethical? Wtf?
Being an outspoken atheist myself, I totally agree with this statement. It may be technically wrong for the school to have that up, but what is it hurting?
It's a big difference from a case where the Ten Commandments are in a court of law.
I don't think a religious quote in a school is unethical. It may be that the quote is one that should be heeded by all peoples (for instance, the Golden Rule.)
Uhm... the athiest group paid for the flowers. And the florists refused to deliver them. That's a pretty easy case. Also, pretty sure businesses can't just choose to not serve atheists, just like they can't choose not to serve blacks or sexuals.
That depends on what your conscience dictates I guess.
I don't think that less of a "lesson". It seems more like a cop-out for putting up with things that are unethical.
To be clear:
I wasn't talking about this instance in particular, although I do think putting prayers on walls in public schools is unethical, and very obviously uncons utional.
I was noting that drawing the line of things you "have to do" and "don't have to do" is not always easy.
You seem to be implying that this was something she didn't have to do, and the girl obviously feels otherwise.
Are you criticising someone for a matter of conscience here? (trying to get a clarification)
Indeed. I don't subscribe to the viewpoint of Christians. I'm an atheist, and like you, would allow people to find comfort and meaningful structure in their lives without my enlightened guidance.
Religious quote is one thing, and it does depend on the context.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahlquist_v._Cranston
Here is a letter to the NYT on the subject:
I would not object to that.Re “Student Faces Town’s Wrath in Protest Against a Prayer” (news article, Jan. 27), about a successful lawsuit brought by Jessica Ahlquist, a 16-year-old atheist in Cranston, R.I.:
There are only six words in the text posted on the wall of Cranston High School West that are the cause of the problem. They are “School Prayer,” “Our Heavenly Father” and “Amen.” Take them out. The text can then read, with slight modification:
“May we each day desire to do our best, to grow mentally and morally as well as physically, to be kind and helpful to our classmates and teachers, to be honest with ourselves as well as with others. May we be good sports and smile when we lose as well as when we win. May we value true friendship and always conduct ourselves so as to bring credit to Cranston High School West.”
Who could possibly object to that?
JOHN WILLENBECHER
New York, Jan. 27, 2012
It's a shame that option was either never considered or tossed aside in favor of a lawsuit.
Sometimes the ends define (not justify) the means?
Props to Jessica for getting that garbage out of a public school.
garbage? lol
Yeah, a public school trying to instil subservience to white ghost in the sky is garbage.
The prayer might as well read "Please God, I suck; make me good."
keep trying. eventually someone will get into this with you.The prayer might as well read "Please God, I suck; make me good."
Instill subservience?
You've got to really want to believe that to believe that.
See Chapter led: "Enlightenment Enforcement"
Amen. God bless.
Seems pretty cut and dry that the prayer is espousing the belief that man is inherently flawed and needs god to fill the hole.
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