Student faces town's wrath after protest to have prayer removed from school

[TeyshaBlue]

Seems pretty cut and dry that the prayer is espousing the belief that man is inherently flawed and needs god to fill the hole.

Um. No. Seems pretty cut and dried that anybody could esposue the listed values:
Grant us each day the desire to do our best.
To grow mentally and morally as well as physically.
To be kind and helpful to our classmates and teachers.
To be honest with ourselves as well as with others.
Help us to be good sports and smile when we lose as well as when we win.
Teach us the value of true friendship.

The rest is virtual colloquialism concering the community it exists in. I'm not saying it's not technically wrong. I am saying that in order to be offended or threatened by it, you've pretty much got to be predisposed to be offended or threatened.

, I've had coaches cover some of these. I don't think I ever felt like I needed Coach J to fill a hole in my life. He was known to tear a few new ones in my carcass from time to time.

[baseline bum]

Um. No. Seems pretty cut and dried that anybody could esposue the listed values:
Grant us each day the desire to do our best.
To grow mentally and morally as well as physically.
To be kind and helpful to our classmates and teachers.
To be honest with ourselves as well as with others.
Help us to be good sports and smile when we lose as well as when we win.
Teach us the value of true friendship.

The rest is virtual colloquialism concering the community it exists in. I'm not saying it's not technically wrong. I am saying that in order to be offended or threatened by it, you've pretty much got to be predisposed to be offended or threatened.

, I've had coaches cover some of these. I don't think I ever felt like I needed Coach J to fill a hole in my life. He was known to tear a few new ones in my carcass from time to time.

It's religious indoctrination when it espouses the need for god to give one the power. Taking out those six words for Willenbecher's alternative completely changes the meaning of the passage.

[jack sommerset]

Um. No. Seems pretty cut and dried that anybody could esposue the listed values:
Grant us each day the desire to do our best.
To grow mentally and morally as well as physically.
To be kind and helpful to our classmates and teachers.
To be honest with ourselves as well as with others.
Help us to be good sports and smile when we lose as well as when we win.
Teach us the value of true friendship.

The rest is virtual colloquialism concering the community it exists in. I'm not saying it's not technically wrong. I am saying that in order to be offended or threatened by it, you've pretty much got to be predisposed to be offended or threatened.

, I've had coaches cover some of these. I don't think I ever felt like I needed Coach J to fill a hole in my life. He was known to tear a few new ones in my carcass from time to time.

This is some of the best stuff I have read on ST in years. God bless

[Blake]

I am saying that in order to be offended or threatened by it, you've pretty much got to be predisposed to be offended or threatened.

This girl prayed to God to heal her mother and he didn't.

I think her being offended is justified.

[TeyshaBlue]

It's religious indoctrination when it espouses the need for god to give one the power. Taking out those six words for Willenbecher's alternative completely changes the meaning of the passage.

lol...if you say so.

[TeyshaBlue]

This girl prayed to God to heal her mother and he didn't.

I think her being offended is justified.

She's an atheist, yet she's pissed at God?

Really now.

[baseline bum]

lol...if you say so.

Lol that something beginning with "Our Heavenly Father" isn't an outright prayer to god and just colloquial language. You can't be serious.

[TeyshaBlue]

BB, how is it that I read the exact same lines yet I'm not at all disposed to interpret them that way? I don't feel "indoctrinated" in the least.

I've been spending money for 50 years. Somehow, I've yet to become indoctrinated or trust in some unknown being.

[TeyshaBlue]

Lol that something beginning with "Our Heavenly Father" isn't an outright prayer to god and just colloquial language. You can't be serious.

When I sneeze and someone says "Bless you", I don't immediately assume I'm being blessed.

The Words aren't colloquial. The entire context is.

[clambake]

When I sneeze and someone says "Bless you", I don't immediately assume I'm being blessed.

The Words aren't colloquial. The entire context is.

thanks. now you've just ruined the sneeze.

[baseline bum]

BB, how is it that I read the exact same lines yet I'm not at all disposed to interpret them that way? I don't feel "indoctrinated" in the least.

I've been spending money for 50 years. Somehow, I've yet to become indoctrinated or trust in some unknown being.

In God We Trust is pretty ridiculous too, but it's not plastered in giant letters on a bill like that stupid prayer likely is in the auditorium.

[Blake]

She's an atheist, yet she's pissed at God?

Really now.

She wasn't always an atheist.

Now that she's figured out for herself that there is no god, she's pissed that the school is basically telling her every day that she's wrong.

[TeyshaBlue]

Or she's pissed at herself for believing that.

[baseline bum]

When I sneeze and someone says "Bless you", I don't immediately assume I'm being blessed.

The Words aren't colloquial. The entire context is.

I'm stunned that you seriously do not consider that passage an outright prayer. It's a somewhat sanitised version of The Lord's Prayer, which was the one used there immediately before. Maybe it would be thinly veiled enough without that first line, but come on. Seriously?

[TeyshaBlue]

thanks. now you've just ruined the sneeze.

I'm a giver.

[TeyshaBlue]

I'm stunned that you seriously do not consider that passage an outright prayer. It's a somewhat sanitised version of The Lord's Prayer, which was the one used there immediately before. Maybe it would be thinly veiled enough without that first line, but come on. Seriously?

If I read it, am I praying, BB?

Seriously indeed.

[baseline bum]

If I read it, am I praying, BB?

Seriously indeed.

You have an authority figure paid in tax dollars telling you to ask god to make you a good schoolboy.

[TeyshaBlue]

We like to examine these issues as if we are in a sterile environment where there is nothing outside the white walls of the issue.

This is not the case. In context with the community it's taking place within, the issue takes on a whole different note.

[TeyshaBlue]

You have an authority figure paid in tax dollars telling you to ask god to make you a good schoolboy.

Ok. I'm seriously not following you here.

How are we paying God (the authority figure?) tax dollars to make me a good school boy?

[TeyshaBlue]

Oh wait..the school is the authority figure. Got it.

[baseline bum]

Ok. I'm seriously not following you here.

How are we paying God (the authority figure?) tax dollars to make me a good school boy?

The school is the authority figure endorsing religion.

[TeyshaBlue]

I don't think a poster is telling me anything, btw. As an atheist, it sure as isn't going to even cross my mind.

[TeyshaBlue]

The school is the authority figure endorsing religion.

Yeah...I figured that out too late. lol

[baseline bum]

We like to examine these issues as if we are in a sterile environment where there is nothing outside the white walls of the issue.

This is not the case. In context with the community it's taking place within, the issue takes on a whole different note.

The context seems to be the school making up their own specialised version of The Lord's Prayer right after the real one was ruled uncons utional.

[TeyshaBlue]

I understand the technicalities of the case, BB. What I don't understand is the rationale behind the intent of the recent lawsuit.

Again, the ends define the means.