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    Starting group and starting minutes may not be so important since Pop has used his bench so much this year and has confidence in at least 10 players.
    The starting lineup become more important in the playoffs. It's unavoidable.

    I sense that TimVp loves Jax so much he'd like to see him start--but Jax hasn't earned it so far.
    Your spidey senses need rebooting, tbh.

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    Extremely disagree. The last few years, Pop had McDyess to end games. Now it's up to Bonner. His minutes may be similar but his role is more vital.
    Wouldn't surprise me at all to see Diaw resume that McDyess role come playoff time

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    Wouldn't surprise me at all to see Diaw resume that McDyess role come playoff time
    Diaw seems a little out of shape and less willing to shoot though. I'm hoping he can be more aggressive in the playoffs but I'm not sure.

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    The starting lineup become more important in the playoffs.
    I agree how you start is much more important in the playoffs. Teams are going to zero-in against all the starters weaknesses. That's why it's tricky starting playoff rookies.

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    2 and 3 concern me the most.

    How do you know Ginobili "can't be counted on for big minutes"? If true, they have no one but themselves to blame. Not playing him even 30 minutes, let alone in excess of that, for virtually the entire season, is insane. You know how you prepare someone to play 35 minutes? By gradually building them up to that. Not continuing to baby them and arbitrarily deciding they can't do it, months removed from an injury that wasn't exactly career altering.

    This reminds me of when he went down early in the season. Supposedly, the Spurs weren't capable of anything but being a fringe playoff team. I begged to differ (go back and check if you don't believe me; it was one of your threads). Look what happened. Classic case of not knowing what you're capable of until you're forced to do something.

    And this notion that he can't start and run the second unit is nonsense. He did it last season, so why couldn't he do it now? Just sub him out at the 5 minute mark, bring him back at the 1 minute mark, then sub him out again at the 8 minute mark and bring him back at the 4-5 minute mark. Then repeat the same thing in the second half.

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    2 and 3 concern me the most.

    How do you know Ginobili "can't be counted on for big minutes"? If true, they have no one but themselves to blame. Not playing him even 30 minutes, let alone in excess of that, for virtually the entire season, is insane. You know how you prepare someone to play 35 minutes? By gradually building them up to that. Not continuing to baby them and arbitrarily deciding they can't do it, months removed from an injury that wasn't exactly career altering.

    This reminds me of when he went down early in the season. Supposedly, the Spurs weren't capable of anything but being a fringe playoff team. I begged to differ (go back and check if you don't believe me; it was one of your threads). Look what happened. Classic case of not knowing what you're capable of until you're forced to do something.

    And this notion that he can't start and run the second unit is nonsense. He did it last season, so why couldn't he do it now? Just sub him out at the 5 minute mark, bring him back at the 1 minute mark, then sub him out again at the 8 minute mark and bring him back at the 4-5 minute mark. Then repeat the same thing in the second half.
    People forget how many games we won with Ginobili as the starter.

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    Good write up

    I need to see a few more games out of Parker to decide whether to be concerned or not. He's been great all year but hes also carrying a heavy load. We were without Tj for most of the season and Mills is a recent addition.

    Manu absolutely has to play more, couldn't agree more. I think he should start as well. He should be playing minutes with both the starting lineup and the 2nd unit because hes just that damn good. Splitter should be attached to his hip too. I thought Parker and Splitter developed some nice chemistry but Tiago and Manu's was instant.

    I'm hoping Bonner snaps out of it when the playoffs starts. The law of averages could be on our side here..
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    Dont agree with one. If anything , Tony Parker needs Manu and to a lesser extent TD to be more assertive when teams are focused on containing his own game.

    It's always been the case. Tony parker coming out saying we need a healthy Manu wasn't for nothing and i do remember Parker saying he preferred Manu starting. A big reason for why is that it free's up Tony from opposing defenses.

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    How do you know Ginobili "can't be counted on for big minutes"?
    He can't be counted on for big minutes since we don't know if can handle it due to lack of evidence. He probably can but since he hasn't played more than 30 minutes since the season opener, that's more of a guess than anything.

    And this notion that he can't start and run the second unit is nonsense. He did it last season, so why couldn't he do it now? Just sub him out at the 5 minute mark, bring him back at the 1 minute mark, then sub him out again at the 8 minute mark and bring him back at the 4-5 minute mark. Then repeat the same thing in the second half.
    That plan calls for Manu playing more than 30 minutes. Until Manu actually plays that many minutes regularly, then the best way to ensure he can always run the second unit is to bring him off the bench.

    People forget how many games we won with Ginobili as the starter.
    Who has forgotten that?

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    He can't be counted on for big minutes since we don't know if can handle it due to lack of evidence. He probably can but since he hasn't played more than 30 minutes since the season opener, that's more of a guess than anything.
    Just like the vast majority of you didn't know the Spurs could still be one of the best teams in the league without him . . . until you did.

    Time is running out. I agree with you that there's probably only four more games where we'll see some semblance of a playoff rotation, minutes wise. That's why, unless they blow this game open relatively early tonight, he should play in excess of 30 minutes, particularly in light of a potential two days off following this.

    That plan calls for Manu playing more than 30 minutes. Until Manu actually plays that many minutes regularly, then the best way to ensure he can always run the second unit is to bring him off the bench.
    I realize that, but the time is now to start playing the playoff rotation. They can shave off another 1-2 minutes by waiting until the automatic under 3 timeout in 1st half to bring him back, instead of the 4-5 minute mark. There's no reason to think he can't handle 31-33 mpg in 4 or 5 games down the stretch. Plus, that would jive perfectly with beginning to get him used to play those types of minutes regularly.

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    Speaking of Parker, I disagree with the commonly held opinion that Parker struggled simply due to facing big, physical teams. Against the Grizzlies, he appeared unconfident, out of rhythm and just couldn't complete plays he has completed all season long. And, reluctantly, I think we need to start giving credit to Mike Conley. Outside Avery Bradley of the Celtics, Conley has evolved into probably the best defensive point guard in the league. Add in Memphis' overall fundamentally sound defense and I don't think that is a team the Spurs can expect Parker to dominate against on a regular basis.

    But the Lakers are a different story. After Wednesday's game, "Parker always sucks against the Lakers; their just too long" was written a lot. Looking back through the years, it's just not true.
    I posted that on another thread.

    Against the Grizz last two seasons (13 games) incl POs, TP is shooting 46%, 17.8 pts per game, 6.4 assists, 1.5 stls and 3.2 TOs. Against Grizz TP struggles a bit with a lower FG% and 0.6 more TO than his regular average but it's not like he is far below his usual production.

    As for the Lakers his production is very comparable that what he usually do. Last 17 games againts the lakers TP is shooting 50%, has 19 pts a game, 5.5 assists, 1 stl and 2.3 TOs. Last PO serie against the Lakers, 48% FG, 19 ppg, 5.6 assists, 0.8 stl, 2.4 TOs.

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    All I have to say is BRING IT ON! "Sacrificial by Fire", Baby!! That's what makes you THE BEST OF THE BEST, IMO!!


    Now, if only this guy right here -------->> could get that through his old, thick, and crusty skull.


    So, I still believe in miracles, I suppose. That is all.

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    Great write-up, hope someone from Spurs organizations read it.

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    If this is really legit:

    But Pop has to be smart about this. If he forfeits the wrong games, he could hurt the team's confidence ...


    We dont deserve chit...

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    2. Pop Forfeiting the Wrong Games
    Overall, while the schedule looks daunting, Pop can navigate it while giving the Spurs a legit chance to win each game. The Spurs can forfeit two contests (the Warriors games), limit minutes in three contests (Kings, Cavs, Blazers) and play the full roster in the other four games (Lakers twice, Suns twice). When you think about it that way, trying hard in four games over the next 13 days shouldn't be too taxing.
    concur!

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    2. Pop Forfeiting the Wrong Games
    Just like he already has a few times already.

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    I was cracking up when April kicked in and Bonner, in the few losses the team had, was missing wide open 3's the board had started calling him PLAYOFF Bonner

    THEY HAVE TO BE MEN IN BLACK AND BUST OUT THE GUNS EVERYTIME THEY STEP.ON THE COURT!
    Where's that old school Parker Ginobili Men In Black pic in the chairs with the weaponry when I need it?

    ALSO...WHERE ARE THE BEARDS?
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    5. Matt Bonner's Shooting
    Is Matt Bonner a choker or simply the world's most unluckiest basketball player?
    good one.

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