imagine that......the white welfare baby that thinks all black people are thugs....could end up as a juror.
the new america.
wow... all these brilliant legal minds wasting their talents on a spurs forum....
imagine that......the white welfare baby that thinks all black people are thugs....could end up as a juror.
the new america.
imagine that......the white welfare baby that thinks all black people are thugs....could end up as a juror.
the new america.
so important, i had to say it twice.
It matters dude...but don't take MY word for it...
http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/...-of-us/1224619
awyers: Prosecutor must have Zimmerman, Martin evidence not yet revealed
By Dan Sullivan, Times Staff Writer
In Print: Thursday, April 12, 2012
Angela Corey and her team of prosecutors must know something that the rest of us don't.
In order to charge George Zimmerman with second-degree murder, local defense attorneys say, there must be something showing that Zimmerman acted with a "depraved mind" when he shot Trayvon Martin. And, to negate a defense under Florida's "stand your ground" law, there must be evidence that Zimmerman attacked Martin first.
"I don't think she can prove that he acted with a depraved mind or an evil intent," said Denis de Vlaming, a Clearwater defense attorney. "That's a tremendously high burden for the facts as I know them."
Nevertheless, de Vlaming said he wasn't surprised Corey went for a murder charge.
In a highly scrutinized case complete with racial overtones and a public outcry for justice, the prosecutor went for the most serious charge she could, de Vlaming said. Even if a jury does not buy murder, they might settle on a lesser charge of manslaughter.
"It gives the jury some options," said Pinellas defense attorney Jay Hebert. "Typically it is difficult to prove a second-degree murder case where the person doesn't know the other person."
While second-degree murder requires prosecutors prove the "depraved mind" standard, manslaughter only requires they prove recklessness — that a defendant must have known the risks associated with his actions and done them anyway.
Was George Zimmerman simply acting in a reckless manner that led to his gun being fired? Or were his intentions more sinister, the result of a lack of regard for human life? Those are the questions a jury must answer.
But no matter the charge, ultimately only one question matters.
"The most critical issue in this case is 'who struck who first?' " said Stephen Romine, an attorney for de Vlaming's firm. "That part, so far, we haven't really heard anything about."
If Corey presents evidence showing that Zimmerman initiated a physical attack against Martin, "stand your ground" can't apply, Romine said. But if Martin attacked Zimmerman first, the shooting could easily be ruled justified.
It doesn't matter that Zimmerman followed Martin. It doesn't matter what words were exchanged. All that matters is which person began the physical confrontation.
"As long as he (Zimmerman) wasn't doing anything illegal, 'stand your ground' applies," Romine said. "He still has a right not to be attacked."
From a defense perspective, combating the charge against Zimmerman is a matter of proving that he was protecting his own life when he shot Martin, de Vlaming said.
"In my opinion, it's going to be won or lost on forensics," de Vlaming said. "I would align as much forensic experience as I could possibly find on the issues."
That means finding witnesses — audio experts who can analyze the 911 calls, forensic pathologists who can examine Martin's wounds, and any witnesses who may have seen the attack.
But all the evidence presented publicly thus far has not provided a definitive answer of how the scuffle between Martin and Zimmerman transpired.
"It will be interesting to see what they have," Romine said. "Whatever evidence the prosecutor arrested him on, at some point the rest of the public will see it. What we all have to hope for is that the decisions being made are being made on the evidence and not on the uproar."
"But if Martin attacked Zimmerman first, the shooting could easily be ruled justified."
bull
Martin got shot Standing His Ground, defending himself with his fists, against a follower/stalker/confronter.
Note the typical NRA/gun-fetishist/Repug insansity at all kinds of weapons and implements are going to be forbidden from the Repug nominating national convention area EXCEPT guns.
Again, nothing in the statute about that. The core question, which is in what you quoted, is whether there's evidence Zimmerman did not act in self-defense.
There's obviously more peculiar aspects to this case than a simple fist fight gone wrong. We'll see what the evidence says.
Looks like Zimmerman followed Trayvon, stalking him and was not the one screaming for help on the 911 tapes after all according to the state...
SANFORD, Fla. (AP) - After weeks in hiding, George Zimmerman made his first courtroom appearance Thursday in the shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, and prosecutors outlined their murder case in court papers, saying the neighborhood watch volunteer followed and confronted the black teenager after a police dispatcher told him to back off.
The brief outline, contained in an affidavit filed in support of the second-degree murder charges, appeared to contradict Zimmerman's claim that Martin attacked him after he had turned away and was returning to his vehicle.
In the affidavit, prosecutors also said that Martin's mother identified cries for help heard in the background of a 911 call as her son's. There had been some question as to whether Martin or Zimmerman was the one crying out.
The account of the shooting was released as Zimmerman, 28, appeared at a four-minute hearing in a jailhouse courtroom, setting in motion what could be a long, drawn-out process, or an abrupt and disappointingly short one for the Martin family because of the strong legal protections contained in Florida's "stand your ground" law on self-defense.
Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/201...D9U3N3HG1.html
Um, I know that Trayvon is her son and all, but your saying it "looks like..." because she supplied an affidavit saying it was his voice on tape? Weren't there witnesses at the scene (at least two) that said it was Zimmerman screaming?
All this would get cleared up if they just posted photos of the bullet holes. Proximity and location will tell us a lot...if your an athletic young kid, you are running AWAY when you scream for help. So if Trayvon was shot in the back, it's obvious what happened - and Zimmerman's in big trouble. If not, this overzealous prosecutor is gonna get her pushed in if there's a fair jury to be found in Florida.
Edit: didn't read the link, Dan. Just the quote you posted.
First of all, this account does not fit any legal definition of stalking Propaganda Dan. Second of all, I will contend there is no was the mother knew it was her son's voice. That she assumes so because at first she thought he was a victim in an attack.
Do you really think Trayvon's mother ever heard him scream like that after puberty?
Now his own mother doesn't know what he sounds like and you ignore voice recognition software that corroborates what she claims. The affidavit also says that after reviewing all the evidence that it was Zimmerman that initiated the confrontation.
those are verifiable facts of the case. nonetheless you will continue with the same tired arguments because thats what you do.
wrong. those are only allegations until there is a verdict. prosecutors don't decide the facts in our system.
Z, locked and loaded, stalked M, then he got out of his vehicle and went after M on foot.
Z initiated the confrontation by getting out of the truck. He got ambushed by M Standing His Ground against Z's threat.
I'm still waiting for the ALEC and the NRA to put out press releases recommending that all "young black males" carry guns so they have equal firepower against fat s.
Oklahoma State Senator Justifies Need For ‘Open Carry’ Gun Law Due To Threat From Wild Turkeys
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...-wild-turkeys/
red-states! who needs stand-up comedy!
Am I the only one where who is offended by the media for using the same old pictures of Trayvon Martin, that looks like he's 12 to 14 years old, with the Jersey on from Hollister Florida, rather than a newer picture of him when he played on the football team in Miami?
Not looking so much like a kid here:
Offended? No
Well, it offends my intelligence. I thought other intelligent people would feel the same way.
How could it offend what you don't have?
Yep, I knew you would say something to that effect. You are always the antagonist. why should I expect your ethics to improve any. I wish we could have civil discussions, but I guess you want to be the bully.
You're offended by a portrait. I rest my case.
Aren't you familiar with the uses of a phrase like "an insult to my intelligence?" The clear insult is that they portray Martin as looking younger that he is. That adds to the bias. It's effectively a lie, and should be an insult to any reasonable person, to be given false impressions.
Here I thought you were somewhat intelligent, but you can't see past your nose. I shouldn't have had to spell that out.
I see you either don't understand the point I'm making, or you refuse to acknowledge it.
Fine by me. Just another example of you poor intelligence and/or ethics.
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