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This.
Close this thread...it can't be said any better than this.
Hate to spoil tomorrow for you, E, but Pop isn't going to play him big minutes tomorrow nor in the playoffs. Maybe if the Spurs are down 3-1 or Bonner gets hurt, but it's highly unlikely in any other scenario.
Pop will trot out his JV bigs who'll front and do the best they can to not be murdered by Gasol/Bynum. But they will be. Only a fool would think otherwise.
And this is assuming Pop doesn’t wave the white flag before the game even starts.
Tiago homers will /moan about it. Pop apologists will say that Tiago can’t handle big minutes or that he wouldn’t be of much help anyways.
Then we’ll do the same thing next year.
Who cares. Like it or not, this team is gonna ride or die with Matthew Robert Bonner.
This.
Close this thread...it can't be said any better than this.
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Pop views Tiago as Timmy's backup. This one is not on Timmy.
Well, that's the good thing about forums like this. You disagree with what I said, and I disagree with what you said.
A prideful Tim Duncan is just as plausible a reason for Tiago's lack of playing time as anything else that's been discussed on here (specifically "Pop's a moron" or "Tiago doesn't spread the floor.") In fact, I find those two arguments to be much more "idiotic" than the realistic possibility that the greatest power forward of all time has an ego and still wants to do the bulk of the work.
The bottom line is neither one of us is right or wrong, and we're both en led to our opinions. One of us just expresses his opinion with a little more tact than the other.
I've argued this point too in other threads, and it's probably the closest thing to the truth.
One of several alternate theories could be that Tim wants to keep on being the man in the middle, and Pop is obliging and therefore viewing Tiago as a backup PF instead of a starting center.
Pretty much the least probable theory presented.
Pop in view of small ball is like the politician who wants to prove they can spend their way out of debt and keeps doing so until there is nothing left to spend.
Pop would never, EVER let any player have a say in his rotations. Even Tim.Well, that's the good thing about forums like this. You disagree with what I said, and I disagree with what you said.
A prideful Tim Duncan is just as plausible a reason for Tiago's lack of playing time as anything else that's been discussed on here (specifically "Pop's a moron" or "Tiago doesn't spread the floor.") In fact, I find those two arguments to be much more "idiotic" than the realistic possibility that the greatest power forward of all time has an ego and still wants to do the bulk of the work.
The bottom line is neither one of us is right or wrong, and we're both en led to our opinions. One of us just expresses his opinion with a little more tact than the other.
So that's that.
Another example of when Keepin it Real goes wrong.Well, that's the good thing about forums like this. You disagree with what I said, and I disagree with what you said.
A prideful Tim Duncan is just as plausible a reason for Tiago's lack of playing time as anything else that's been discussed on here (specifically "Pop's a moron" or "Tiago doesn't spread the floor.") In fact, I find those two arguments to be much more "idiotic" than the realistic possibility that the greatest power forward of all time has an ego and still wants to do the bulk of the work.
The bottom line is neither one of us is right or wrong, and we're both en led to our opinions. One of us just expresses his opinion with a little more tact than the other.
how I have not seen this reference used on ST yet is entirely beyond me, but definitely a well picked spot and picture perfect deployment
As a Tiago homer this is my biggest fear
"You know, the very fact that you oppose this makes me think I'm onto something." -- Jerry Seinfeld, The Reverse Peephole episode
Except one plays against starters and the other against backups. Splitter's numbers would undoubtedly go down and Gasol's up if the role's were reversed. The media isn't hiding anything.
Who said anything about a conspiracy? Smearing people as being conspiracy crazies is laughable.
So the question remains, why are you hearing about these Splitter numbers here and not elsewhere? There's a Bonner stats thread, why are you getting those numbers here and not elsewhere?
Here's a glaring example of the media travesty, this one by Mike Monroe of the Express News.
My browser isn't working with the interface, so forgive my manual ubb codes.
Monroe, 04-09-12
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursna...-getting-rest/
That is pure garbage from Monroe, acting as an accomplice to Pop's narrative. But maybe that's too harsh. At the very least though, it is not giving the reader context of the reality of the situation for them to make up their own minds.“Getting Tiago Splitter back in health this year has helped,” Popovich said. “We didn’t really have him last year, so he’s like an addition to the team.”
Battling various ailments right from the start of his first training camp, Splitter missed 22 games as a Spurs rookie, when he averaged just 12.3 minutes per game.
Here's why (copying most from a post of mine from December when McDonald was also misleading the readers):
Splitter was not injured most of the time, not enough to miss 22 games. Nothing that would have kept him on the bench most of the year. He had a tough year because Pop made it a tough year.
He didn't dress for 9 games if Yahoo's boxes are correct. He was only injured for 9 games. He played 60 and had another 13 non-appearances credited as DNP-CDs, which rings true to my memory. AND in the playoffs he spent the first 3 games with DNP-CDs on the bench.
In addition, of the 60 games he did play, 18 of them were for less than 5:00. If I spent 5-10 minutes going through the play-by-plays, I have no doubt that those minutes would largely be straight garbage time minutes. Even the game in February where he got hurt he had played double digit minutes.
Splitter WAS NOT too injured to play last year. But Pop has said it so many times unchallenged that people on this site believe it. He was even featured saying it on the Spurs segment of that NBA Action show or whatever it was that was on NBAtv this week.
, even Splitter's own words tell that he wasn't injured. Because when he talks about getting more minutes this year, he doesn't reference his own health, but the absence of McDyess:
There was also this gem in the piece from Monroe:“I knew this season was important for me, not just because we had to rest Tim, but also because when (Antonio) McDyess decided to retire, I knew I would have to play more and would be more important to the team.
Forgotten how to play? I wonder why.Admitting there were times last season when he felt as if he had forgotten how to play, Splitter says he finally feels he is truly part of the team.
Splitter was NOT too hurt to play last year.
Pop even admitted last season that he wasn't too hurt to play, but wasn't getting time because it "wouldn't be fair to the team".
Yet this season the media is quick to forget all that and spin you all a canard about how Splitter had Ebola and was too weak from blood loss to help the Spurs at all.
Knowing now how the media won't even give you the context of the whole picture about his minutes last season, is it a surprise they won't tell you just how good he is this year or ponder why he doesn't play more?
Yes,Splitter is at least as good as Marc Gasol
He was as good in Spain. And he's not spanish or spaniard or whatever name you use to name us (people from Spain-Europe) but I have no problem to recognize the truth.
He was as dominant as Marc or Scola. Much better than Oberto... better than Lorbek or Ibaka but he improved his game now..... of course better than Asik.......
Yes, I wrote the same a lot of times in the forum.
I can't see the point to open a new thread . We already know it.
I think they're just Bonner lovers, which clouds their judgement on issues that would affect Bonner.
To the point of going appearing on ESPN's NBA Today podcast last year and giving Bonner as the reason why the Spurs would be able to beat the Lakers.
And the numerous Bonner defense articles over and over. And the snarky bits about fans anointing Splitter the savior, but that he wasn't the answer. And on and on and on . . .
it's gotten to the point where, the spurs are in a lot of trouble if you see duncan and splitter play together in the POs
Eh, it could be argued that Splitter's success is due in part to playing with Bonner, but both sides are so firmly entrenched now that any actual point will be met with scorn and persecution complexes.
I understand objective (an excellent poster, IMO) frustration. I think everyone wants to see more of Splitter because the potential seem to be there. And unfortunately another season goes by where he's not given a decidedly more prominent role than Blair or Bonner.
Heck, I suspect Pop ranks Diaw as a more suitable alternative than Tiago at this point.
All that said, there's no single scapegoat and no single savior. Matt isn't the sole reason we're a middle-of-the-pack defensive team and Tiago won't automatically make us a top 5 defensive team. I think if Pop were to turn back the clock and actually decide to make defense a focus again, Tiago getting more minutes at the expense of Bonner and Blair would be part of the solution.
But it's a moot point because this Pop isn't interested in that. He has stated as much and that's where his convictions are nowadays.
An objective observer might just think that suggests a conspiracy.
And the conspiracy continues!!!11
Presenting the impactful Jason Collins All-Star team
Posted Apr 14 2012 12:06PM
In determining the value of NBA players, we most often cite their standard boxscore stats, starting with points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks. These numbers obviously have value, but the most important numbers in basketball are the ones on the scoreboard. And a guy doesn't need to put up big stats to be a valuable player on his team.
In the 2002-03 season, Jason Collins averaged just 5.7 points and 4.7 rebounds per game. But he had the best per-possession plus-minus on a Finals team. When he was in the game, the Nets outscored their opponents by 7.6 points per 100 possessions.
Collins benefitted from playing most of his minutes with Jason Kidd, Kenyon Martin, Richard Jefferson and Kerry Kittles. But he helped those teammates do what they do by playing his role well. On one end of the floor, he was a great interior defender, a great help defender, and kept his man off the glass. On the other end, he ran the offense well, set solid screens, and knew his own limitations.
So while Collins' boxscore stats painted him as one of the worst starting players in the league, the Nets were better both offensively and defensively when he was on the floor.
Nine years later, Collins still has a role in this league, especially when his Atlanta Hawks are playing the Orlando Magic. But an elbow injury has limited him to just 23 games this season. So we'll have to keep him off our list of Jason Collins All-Stars, five guys who have made a difference on the scoreboard, even though their traditional boxscore stats have been underwhelming.
All stats come with the caveat that this has been a wacky season. And plus-minus is a number that's obviously dependent on what teammates you're sharing the floor with. But the following guys have distinguished themselves from the players around them.Matt Bonner, F, San Antonio
7.0 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 0.9 apg, plus-313, +12.9 NetRtg
The Spurs are a unique team and the Red Rocket is a pretty unique player. After leading the league in 3-point percentage last season, he ranks ninth this year. So he clearly has a more distinguishable offensive skill than Collins ever had.
But Bonner's 98 3-pointers (less than two per game) don't exactly account for his ridiculous plus-minus, the highest on the Spurs even though he's played 600 fewer minutes than Tony Parker (who's a plus-284). The Spurs have scored an incredible 112.6 points per 100 possessions with Bonner on the floor.
Of players who have logged at least 500 minutes, only Manu Ginobili (115.8 in 649 minutes) and James Harden (112.8 in 1,805) have a higher on-court offensive rating. In 305 minutes with both Ginobili and Bonner on the floor, the Spurs have scored 126.5 points per 100 possessions, which is out-of-this-word efficient.
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