So you're "applying critical thinking" to the "known facts" that yourself don't think are enough "to know who started the altercation that escalated to George Zimmerman shooting Trayvon Martin".
Zimmerman wasn't acting "stealthily."
In fact, according to the girlfriend, Martin was aware of Zimmerman's presence pretty early on. The police knew what Zimmerman was doing. And, by all accounts, Zimmerman was walking out in the open, common areas of the neighborhood.
What's stealth about that?
So you're "applying critical thinking" to the "known facts" that yourself don't think are enough "to know who started the altercation that escalated to George Zimmerman shooting Trayvon Martin".
Pot meet Kettle. You should've done that before stalking that online chick.
Agreed. Trial should be here soon enough.
I've never claimed PTSD, that's ChumpDumper's characterization after several years of hyperbole. , I've never claimed any residual discomfort from the encounter.
Apparently, I believed it fit the context of the thread, so I told the story.
Sufferers of PTSD often live in denial for years after the initial trauma.
The context was "I'm a victim too!"Apparently, I believed it fit the context of the thread, so I told the story.
I never said we have "little of the facts." We are missing a few critical facts surrounding the moment of the altercation.
The facts we do know tend to support Zimmerman's account.
The content of the call to police is a fact.
The injuries to Zimmerman are facts.
Listening to the 911 call and looking at the layout of the area of the neighborhood where the shooting took place, cause me to speculate Zimmerman's account is probable.
It's not my fault he's Hispanic and Martin is black. Like I've said, give what we know, I'd still believe the way I do.
Could I be wrong? Sure.
I've never stated I "knew" who started the altercation. All I've suggested is what we know is consistent with Zimmerman's claim of self-defense.
what we know as fact is that he stalked the kid and killed him.
zimmerman can say whatever he wants since he killed the other guy that knows.
Maybe it's possible that Zimmerman simply sucked at it.Main Entry: 2 stealth Function: adjective Date: 1987 : intended not to attract attention
You evidence of the injuries are a grainy video and hearsay. You have a report form a medical examiner? It is nice that the evidence of the affidavit is deemed by you to be a lie because you looked at google maps and a 911 call.
Do you even know what Zimmerman actually told police? You privy to the police report?
All i see here is you picking and choosing which news reports you like, insert 'plausible' and call it a day.
The responding officer's report stating Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose and back of his head is hearsay?
Which reports am I ignoring that say Zimmerman murdered Martin? What evidence am I overlooking? What facts, in the public domain, support the affidavit?
Where did you see the responding officers report or hear from him directly?
You are not privy to any of that information is the point yet you fill in the gaps by picking and choosing which hearsay you prefer.
pot, meet kettle
What claims have i made as to what happened or if Zimmerman is guilty?
pot, meet kettle
All I have said is that its not good news for the Zimmerman camp that the affidavit says he initiated the confrontation and that also that there was conflicting reports within the hearsay and everything else.
For example the Orlando Sentinel claims that police told them that Martin's father said its not his son's voice. In an interview where we can see him sayit, Martin's father says he is sure it was his son's voice.
The OS claims the police report said that Zimmerman said that he was returning to his car when Martin jumped him. The affidavit which we all can read it says that Zimmerman initiated the confrontation.
I really do not know what happened and i am okay with that. I certainly am not prepared to pass judgement or pick a horse.
You care to point to something specifically or you just going to leave the gross characterization?
CosmicKettle
http://www.wagist.com/wp-content/upl...ial-Report.pdf
See the officer's narrative on page 3 of 4.
He described Zimmerman's injuries and states Zimmerman was treated for the injuries at the scene.
Again, what facts am I ignoring?
Good stuff thanks.
So now we know that Zimmerman was probably in a fight.
and its not ignoring its picking and choosing when you know we know little of the evidence. Specifically that the affidavit says that Zimmerman started the confrontation and the issue regarding whose voice was yelling for help. You discount them out of hand. I believe you call them lies.
On there, there is no discussion of what Zimmerman told the police. You happen to know how to get he major crimes report? Thats who it was turned over to and presumably would have handled that.
Time after time you have quoted the prosecutors affidavit as if it was the ten commandments carved in stone.
You apparently don't understand the prosecutors role at this point.
It is her role to bring charges phrased in a way that the judge accepts them and moves forward.
She is not required to substantiate any of her claims at this point.
The fact that she claims it is her ROLE. It's up to the trial to prove/disprove her allegations.
I don't know either whether Zimmy is guilty or innocent but unlike you I put zero weight on the prosecutors affidavit.
Bring on the facts, please.
Theres really not much to go on. i am not going to fill in the gaps. thats been my point.
So you are claiming that the affidavit is just made up? That the prosecutor is just making up the assertion that Zimmerman started the confrontation? Just to 'move the case forward. According to you Zimmerman is getting railroaded here then?
I only mention the affidavit because its something tangible to go by. I am still waiting for the part where i am picking and choosing.
I am quite clear. I only want to hear straight from the horses mouth. Yoni's police report was excellent. Fox News broadcasts are not.
No. We know Zimmerman was injured in a way consistent with what we are hearing he's claiming. His nose was bleeding (we've heard public reports he claimed Martin struck him in the face) and the back of his head was bleeding and there was grass on his back and his clothes were wet on back (we've heard public reports he claimed Trayvon Martin was on top of him banging his head against the concrete).
Your rely too much on the affidavit.
The officers, who filed the affidavit, provide no factual support for the claim Zimmerman started the confrontation. None.
I don't think I've ever spoken to the issue of who's voice was identified as yelling for help. I know there are conflicting accounts. And, I don't think I've claimed anyone lied with respect that issue.
So you think she has no evidence that Zimmerman started it and is just railroading Zimmerman? And spare me the 'rely too much.'
Its more like i am unwilling to try and make a case based on incomplete information and google maps. that i am not just going to assume that the prosecutor is just lying.
On this point I will say they included, as fact, something that did not occur.
In the sworn affidavit, the officers claim the dispatcher told Zimmerman to wait for officers.
Nowhere in the call Zimmerman made to police will you hear the dispatcher tell Zimmerman to wait. So, unless they're going to state there was a separate call in which this was said to Zimmerman, I'm at a loss to explain why they would include information known to be inaccurate.
One word, Nifong. Prosecutors lie. Prosecutors looking for a book or movie deal may just push the envelope. It didn't work out for Nifong but, hey, maybe this prosecutor thinks it's worth a shot.
Or worse. But, fact remains, they provide no probable cause -- in a probable cause affidavit -- to show Zimmerman started the confrontation.
I don't know, you explain it.
Being tangible doesn't make it fact.
I hope you never have reason to see how they really work.
Being a prosecutor has very little to do with the truth.
I have no idea. I just know the affidavit provides no support for the facts it claims.
Again, I don't know what the prosecutor is doing.
And, my opinion is based on a bit more than just what is in the public record and Google maps. But, in that regard, it is still just an opinion.
I don't pretend to know what happened between the end of the police call and the when Martin was shot. I just know that what is known is consistent with what we've heard in the public domain that Zimmerman shot in self-defense.
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