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    I want to apologize to all the knowledgeable Laker fans like Venti , pass1st, and killakobe (not the bandwagoners like luva and Kool)...

    I don't know what came over me for EVER considering the Lakers might be a better team without Kobe on the floor. For all the crisp ball movement, posting and reposting of Bynum/Gasol, and shot distribution that has gone on the last 5 games for L.A., the Lakers without Kobe just got exposed tonight.

    When things started going wrong with all the turnovers and the Spurs took advanatge of Bynum's refusal to come out and guard the pick-n-roll, no one on the floor had the balls to rally the troops and get on their asses. Bynum tried his best to imitate Kobe offensively at the expense of his teammates, but he put forth ZERO effort on defense.

    Kobe would've led on both sides of the court and would have been all over that ass for Bynum's lack of defensive focus. Bynum was more concerned with winning the personal scoring duel with Duncan than he was with helping his teammates. And in the process Tony Parker went ape on the Laker guards.

    Bottom Line: The Lakers need Kobe back PRONTO to get them playing defense again. The nice run they had is over.

    One good ass kickin deserves another!

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    Bear Hug Defense
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    Fisher got traded for dregs, the rest was history in La la land

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    All magic pass1st's Avatar
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    Kobe probably would have let Bynum work with a little more freedom, but unless Kobe had a hot game this one would be hard to win.

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    The rest of the league should take notice: Put Bynum in as many high pick-n-rolls as possible, and enjoy the offensive feast...

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    Both teams played hard.

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    Got Woke? DMC's Avatar
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    Lakers are better without Kobe on the floor. You don't overrule a 5 game sample with 1 game. They moved the ball, but the Spurs were unstoppable (TP mostly).

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    O & 44!!! Now, go back &
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    Lakers are better without Kobe on the floor. You don't overrule a 5 game sample with 1 game. They moved the ball, but the Spurs were unstoppable (TP mostly).
    Just good old fashion fun for 'em without Kobe. It's just a game then.

    tee, hee.

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    Lakers justifying Kobe as the GOAT by sitting out one game that the Lakers lost.

    TypiCAL.

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    I want to apologize to all the knowledgeable Laker fans like Venti , pass1st, and killakobe (not the bandwagoners like luva and Kool)...

    I don't know what came over me for EVER considering the Lakers might be a better team without Kobe on the floor. For all the crisp ball movement, posting and reposting of Bynum/Gasol, and shot distribution that has gone on the last 5 games for L.A., the Lakers without Kobe just got exposed tonight.

    When things started going wrong with all the turnovers and the Spurs took advanatge of Bynum's refusal to come out and guard the pick-n-roll, no one on the floor had the balls to rally the troops and get on their asses. Bynum tried his best to imitate Kobe offensively at the expense of his teammates, but he put forth ZERO effort on defense.

    Kobe would've led on both sides of the court and would have been all over that ass for Bynum's lack of defensive focus. Bynum was more concerned with winning the personal scoring duel with Duncan than he was with helping his teammates. And in the process Tony Parker went ape on the Laker guards.

    Bottom Line: The Lakers need Kobe back PRONTO to get them playing defense again. The nice run they had is over.

    One good ass kickin deserves another!

    How do you know that the Lakers with Kobe would win the game?
    How about that the Lakers with Kobe would lose more points?
    Your theory couldn't be sustained.

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    boring is a quality
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    expect Kobe to get better by devine intervention and play the next game

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    Veteran Killakobe81's Avatar
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    Lakers are better without Kobe on the floor. You don't overrule a 5 game sample with 1 game. They moved the ball, but the Spurs were unstoppable (TP mostly).


    DMC with the baketball bads ...

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    Veteran Killakobe81's Avatar
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    How do you know that the Lakers with Kobe would win the game?
    How about that the Lakers with Kobe would lose more points?
    Your theory couldn't be sustained.
    Wanngi with the basketball "dumbs"

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    Wanngi with the basketball "dumbs"
    "Wanngi"
    At least I'm sure that Killakobe81 with name spelling "dumb".

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    Lakers are better without Kobe on the floor. You don't overrule a 5 game sample with 1 game. They moved the ball, but the Spurs were unstoppable (TP mostly).
    Their point differential without Kobe is -2.5 this year
    Their point differential with Kobe is +2.3 this year

    Bynum is a career 56% shooter
    Bynum is shooting 42% without Kobe the last 6 games

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    DMC with the baketball bads ...
    Kobe said they were better. Also, use spell check, .

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    Their point differential without Kobe is -2.5 this year
    Their point differential with Kobe is +2.3 this year

    Bynum is a career 56% shooter
    Bynum is shooting 42% without Kobe the last 6 games
    Cherry picking stats.

    Considering the shooting percentage of a non-shooting center.

    Kobe apologist

    Even ESPN has articles on how they are better without Kobe

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    Cherry picking stats.

    Considering the shooting percentage of a non-shooting center.

    Kobe apologist

    Even ESPN has articles on how they are better without Kobe
    There's no cherry picking. They've played 6 games without Kobe. Cherry picking would be if I took 1 game, instead of all of them.

    Without him, they have a point differential of -2.5
    With him, they have a point differential of +2.3

    Bynum's FG % is a very relevant point. He's normally incredibly efficient with regards to his FG %. Wihout Kobe, he's been significantly worse, and inefficient offensively. While it makes for a better narrative for people who don't like Kobe to say that LA is better without him, the reality is that Kobe creates easier shots for someone like Bynum because of the attention he gets from opposing defenses. Even with his faults, this is still true.

    And I'm more of a realist than an apologist. I think Kobe is very clearly past his prime, and not good enough to take as many shots as he does per game right now. I think he's also still very good for someone in his 16th year in the league.. I think the Spurs are better than the Lakers. I think Popovich is the best coach in the league. Sorry to disappoint.

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    Controversy Koolaid_Man's Avatar
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    Kobe probably would have let Bynum work with a little more freedom, but unless Kobe had a hot game this one would be hard to win.
    You don't know what the you're talking about

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    All magic pass1st's Avatar
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    You don't know what the you're talking about
    Kobe draws doubles and leaves Bynum open to play 1vs1, hard for your chimp sized brain to understand ?

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    🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 ElNono's Avatar
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    Kobe draws doubles and leaves Bynum open to play 1vs1, hard for your chimp sized brain to understand ?
    Don't forget he doesn't watch the Lakers... just fronts them...

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    Controversy Koolaid_Man's Avatar
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    Kobe draws doubles and leaves Bynum open to play 1vs1, hard for your chimp sized brain to understand ?
    Umm...we can play this game if you like...I've always pegged you as a real dumb ass anyway so here's your chance to prove me wrong.

    Your analysis is so yesteryear....most great wing players will draw a double but so does most great big men such as Bynum. In fact nowadays Bynum draws more doubles than Kobe so it works both ways. But even if Kobe is doubled on the perimeter its not Bynum thats going to be left to play 1v1 it will be either Gasol or NWP. The rotations will always leave the weakest link open if the opponent is saavy defensively. Albeit this doesn't happen all the time its the way its supposed to work.

    But you're focused on offense only...if Kobe is in the game it changes the Laker defensive mindset....we lost the game on the defensive end not because of Bynums lack of chances to play 1 on 1...ok dumb .

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    Veteran Killakobe81's Avatar
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    There's no cherry picking. They've played 6 games without Kobe. Cherry picking would be if I took 1 game, instead of all of them.

    Without him, they have a point differential of -2.5
    With him, they have a point differential of +2.3

    Bynum's FG % is a very relevant point. He's normally incredibly efficient with regards to his FG %. Wihout Kobe, he's been significantly worse, and inefficient offensively. While it makes for a better narrative for people who don't like Kobe to say that LA is better without him, the reality is that Kobe creates easier shots for someone like Bynum because of the attention he gets from opposing defenses. Even with his faults, this is still true.

    And I'm more of a realist than an apologist. I think Kobe is very clearly past his prime, and not good enough to take as many shots as he does per game right now. I think he's also still very good for someone in his 16th year in the league.. I think the Spurs are better than the Lakers. I think Popovich is the best coach in the league. Sorry to disappoint.
    Great post, agree with 98% of this ... inlcuding Kobe is shooting a bit too muc

  24. #24
    All magic pass1st's Avatar
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    Umm...we can play this game if you like...I've always pegged you as a real dumb ass anyway so here's your chance to prove me wrong.

    Your analysis is so yesteryear....most great wing players will draw a double but so does most great big men such as Bynum. In fact nowadays Bynum draws more doubles than Kobe so it works both ways. But even if Kobe is doubled on the perimeter its not Bynum thats going to be left to play 1v1 it will be either Gasol or NWP. The rotations will always leave the weakest link open if the opponent is saavy defensively. Albeit this doesn't happen all the time its the way its supposed to work.

    But you're focused on offense only...if Kobe is in the game it changes the Laker defensive mindset....we lost the game on the defensive end not because of Bynums lack of chances to play 1 on 1...ok dumb .
    Kobe + Bynum both drawing doubles = 1 player left to guard 3 people. Your math is a little failing. No team is stupid enough to double two people at the same time, even in the Kobe + Shaq era it was one or the other that was getting doubled.

    Bynum didn't get his tip ins, offensive rebounds; Spurs put length and size inwards [go ahead, make a joke] which affected our rebounding and they didn't get punished for it by our parameter players. With Kobe on the floor, they wouldn't focus their defense around the paint as much because Kobe will be taking his jumpers.

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    + also, you didn't even watch the game.

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